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ddeubel

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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:43 am Post subject: Eli Weisel - is he senile or just in need of money? |
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I read a full page ad (I don't know how much it costs but must be a bundle) in the IHT and was just flabbergasted. By Eli Weisel , Nobel Peace Laureate.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1163634.html
I won't get into it too much and always had high respect for him until recently. Did anyone else see it? Was anyone else floored by his utter ignorance of fact and present reality?
Basically he says that Jerusalem is and always has been "Jewish" but Israel has always tolerated other faiths and made Jerusalem a home for the world.
I heard he lost all his money and was penniless (because he was in bed deep with Madoff and using his foundations money for his own personal expenses.
DD
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: |
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I like how he tries to make explicity political statements about Jerusalem, while at the same time delcaring Jerusalem to be "above politics".
Anyway, for anyone interested in further takedowns of Elie Weisel...
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Even allowing for such opposed starting points, this is still a dire book. It is no conventional autobiography, in the sense of someone looking back over their life and seeking to discover order in haphazard circumstances. Rather, it is a long list of self-congratulatory pages from Wiesel's engagements diary. How I saved Abba Eban's career; how Golda Meir confided in me; why Kissinger was grateful to me; if only Gorbachev had listened to me; how mine was the one voice of sweet reason in the controversy surrounding the Washington Holocaust Museum...
At times, beneath his insistence on being a shy person who hates public exposure, the conceit is breathtaking. Wiesel informs us that not since Schweitzer has a Nobel Prize winner been more warmly received. The mock-modest tone of "Aw shucks, fancy me, the yeshiva student from Sighet, here in the White House/ Elys�e Palace/Kremlin" soon wears thin. Wiesel reveals himself as vain, arrogant, gullible and naive about international affairs. He defends his silence over the worst excesses of previous Israeli governments with the hackneyed excuse that only those who live there have a right to criticise. That doesn't deter him from being vociferously and justifiably critical about Austria, Germany, the Soviet Union, Poland, Bosnia and Serbia.
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ddeubel

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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it all makes you wonder and also disillusioning. I guess it is a lesson I constantly have to relearn - that sometimes our idols can very very much disappoint us in the flesh. Also reminds me of Auden who once in an interview admonished the interviewer for thinking that a poet would be any better judge of politics and international affairs than say, a baker or a welder.
I've heard things over the years about Weisel but this takes the cake. I hate it when any person reaches back into the past and screams out for religious entitlement. Thank god for Jesus, at least he said, "let the dead bury the dead. "
In the same issue of the IHT as that full page, large print ad of Weisel's words and stupification ran - Cohen had a great op-ed about the need for all parties to think about the living and to quit reaching back and being ruled by the dead. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/opinion/16iht-edcohen.html
I really think Weisel was bought and paid for in this case. There are major inklings to this effect and even proof he did meet Netanyahu day's before this ad appeared. I just wonder how much he got. I'd tell a joke but it would be inappropriate.
DD
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guava
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Eli Weisel - is he senile or just in need of money? |
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You just did, and your second post is twice as long as the first.
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I won't get into it too much |
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ddeubel

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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:43 am Post subject: |
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You just did, and your second post is twice as long as the first.
ddeubel wrote:
I won't get into it too much |
LOL!
You obviously know nothing about me. Your "getting into it" is what I'd call a banner ad. I could write 30,000 words on this subject before you'd even be able to look up Ba'alzebub ..... ..
I jest but let' make our ad hominem's with some sense of proportion and discrimination. If you have something to add, add it - otherwise protest with some sense and knowledge of the actors (and also being able to differentiate between "then" and "now". )
DD
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:23 am Post subject: |
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You obviously know nothing about me. I could write 30,000 words on this subject..... ..
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I know you as the founder of eflclassroom, I am a member of the website.
It isn't necessary to know you in order to see that you did what you said you wouldn't do.
I'm sure you could write 30,000 words, and then you would exceed the per post word limit x 100. |
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ddeubel

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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:20 am Post subject: |
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guava,
Thanks for your clarification. but we disagree about what "getting into it" means. There is a lot there, a lot of history.
Yes, I'm the "founder" but no more, no less than anyone on the site and don't consider it "mine" but a community. I put the link here not for promotion but in protest of when Dave's ESl pulled the signature of people and wanted me too. I said no and continue, even though gratefully they put it back in place but in a different form (the signature that is).
I just wish Weisel would speak the truth - he does an injustice to his record and profession that man does have a responsibility for morality and the planet.
DD
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Jeonmunka
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| He does an injustice to his record and profession that man does have a responsibility for morality and the planet. |
Unless of course you've never heard of him. |
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rollo
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| So making a political statement is an injustice ! I think that the fact that you could write 30,00 words on this topic is exciting. Breathtaking actually! My sincerest admiration. |
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Interested

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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| guava wrote: |
| ddeubel wrote: |
You obviously know nothing about me. I could write 30,000 words on this subject..... ..
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I know you as the founder of eflclassroom, I am a member of the website.
It isn't necessary to know you in order to see that you did what you said you wouldn't do.
I'm sure you could write 30,000 words, and then you would exceed the per post word limit x 100. |
This is boring. Please don't derail such an interesting thread with this kind of childish activity. |
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Interested

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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| He does an injustice to his record and profession that man does have a responsibility for morality and the planet. |
Unless of course you've never heard of him. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel |
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Mosley
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Finkelstein(poster child for the self-loathing Jew). Great source...right up there w/Julius Streicher.
As usual, pseudo-intellectual, anti-Semitic "progressive" leftists slam Israel, democracy, freedom and religious diversity. |
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On the other hand
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Finkelstein(poster child for the self-loathing Jew). |
What makes you say Finkelstein is self-loathing? I know he's a secular Jew, probably an atheist, but then, so were a lot of the people who founded the State Of Israel.
And for the record, the article I posted, while featured on Finkelstein's website, was not by Finkelstein, but by a rabbi in London, and originally published in The Independent. |
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mises
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Finkelstein(poster child for the self-loathing Jew). Great source...right up there w/Julius Streicher.
As usual, pseudo-intellectual, anti-Semitic "progressive" leftists slam Israel, democracy, freedom and religious diversity. |
I like him. |
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Interested

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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
Finkelstein(poster child for the self-loathing Jew). Great source...right up there w/Julius Streicher.
As usual, pseudo-intellectual, anti-Semitic "progressive" leftists slam Israel, democracy, freedom and religious diversity. |
I like him. |
Have you read this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqp4NzMyrc
Mosley will love it.  |
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