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Alvin Stardust
Joined: 12 Nov 2003
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I have a few wall posters inside and outside the classrooms (in Korean):
'Turn off your cellphone before class begins'
I tell all my learners that this is a strict rule. Korean teachers will not put up with it (as mentioned in previous posts). Turn it off! Don't put it on 'rumble' or whatever, turn it off. I'm sure they can survive for 50 minutes without it. I'll give every learner one chance, but after that I'll stop my class if one goes off. No silly 'fines' or whatever. It's impolite, rude to other learners (plus the teacher), and it often shows how they treat English classes with a foreigner. They are not doctors or nurses 'on call'. If they're waiting for a very important phone call, they shouldn't be in the lesson on that day/time.
Korean teachers will not put up with it, so why should you? Respect for the other learners and the teacher please! |
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jaebea
Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Location: SYD
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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I like lawyertood's approach. I think it's pretty smart and it's a good deterrent... :D
I'm interested to hear how well it worked though.. :)
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Schwa,
But don't most foreign teachers have to be pushovers. You want a new contract, don't you? Do you want to receive a nice pay increase?
At my university, the students opinions and comments count very heavily toward having contracts renewed. You should have good comments. And, you should score higher on the numerical (objective?) evaluation than the Korean professors. Even if your score is equal to the Korean professors, you should start arranging things to leave. No new contract.
Remember this article excerpt:
Foreign professors do most of the heavy lifting in terms of course loads, devoting themselves almost exclusively to teaching. Nevertheless, they tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Schwa,
But don't most foreign teachers have to be pushovers. You want a new contract, don't you? Do you want to receive a nice pay increase?
At my university, the students opinions and comments count very heavily toward having contracts renewed. You should have good comments. And, you should score higher on the numerical (objective?) evaluation than the Korean professors. Even if your score is equal to the Korean professors, you should start arranging things to leave. No new contract.
Remember this article excerpt:
Foreign professors do most of the heavy lifting in terms of course loads, devoting themselves almost exclusively to teaching. Nevertheless, they tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html |
I'd probably be screwed if that was the case at my school. There is a 1-5 grading system on 10 different categories. Here is the kick in the nuts:
The kids grade the teachers AFTER they recieve their final grades. So it is pretty much based ENTIRELY on if they liked what they recieved.
so 90% of the teachers get either all 1s, 3s or 5s. 1 means they didnt like ya. 3 means they have no opinion and 5 means they liked you.
There is no kid who will actually take the time to think and grade the teacher fairly and rationally.
90% of the teachers at my school just throw their evaluations in the garbage. I think the only reason we do it, is so the VP can read em over and get an idea of what the students think. It can't be that bad. He told me the students love me and he wants me to stay for 10 more years. |
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IconsFanatic
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:55 am Post subject: |
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I used to just take the student's phone and call my mother.
The student would be stuck with the bill as punishment. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:43 am Post subject: |
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A few things to remember:
Last semester, out of 6 classes and 250 uni students, maybe 4 phone calls rang during the whole time. Money makes them think before doing something stupid.
We usually would just take the money and split the clas into teams and play a geograpgy quiz~ winner winning juice. |
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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| IconsFanatic wrote: |
| batman wrote: |
I used to just take the student's phone and call my mother.
The student would be stuck with the bill as punishment. |
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Another funny thing would be to randomly pick a name off of their phone list, and place a call in front of everyone.... hahahahha
"Hello.... Su Jin's Chingu??? Uh... Su Jin's Sun-sang-nim imnida.... Danshin Su Jin sarang hey-yo..."
Sorry... that's the best I can do with my limited Korean. I know since it's choppy and weird, it would be all the more funny! |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:25 am Post subject: |
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I do the same as lawyertood and it works great! I stand over them and say "Say 'hello'!!" Usually they're really embarrassed (and the rest of the class scrambles for their phones!) and it doesn't happen again. (Well, maybe one more time towards the end of the semester!).
Alvin Stardust, some of us DO teach doctors, nurses and businessmen. They HAVE to take calls, and most of them are polite enough to step outside to do it. (Me holding the door open is a big hint!). Now, if I could just get some of those people on the bus to be as polite! |
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Dawn
Joined: 06 Mar 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Rule out our academy is that all cell phones are to be turned of before class. If a phone rings in class or if the student pulls it out and starts playing with it, teacher confiscates it and passes it on to the director. On first offense, the student can get it back at the end of class after a serious chat with the director. On second offense, the student gets it back only after the parents are contacted and consent to its release. (Some actually ask the school to hold it for a week or two before giving it back.) To my knowledge, we've never had a third offense.
All this is tempered, of course, with common sense. When the father of a couple of our kids got deployed to Iraq a few weeks ago, we didn't make an issue over the dad's calling in the middle of class to let them know he'd gotten there and that he loved them, etc. |
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