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Teaching ESL in Germany with TESOL

 
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dimnd



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Western USA

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:40 pm    Post subject: Teaching ESL in Germany with TESOL Reply with quote

Does anyone know how to go about teaching English in Germany? Have some friends there and would like to go. Both my gf and I are both interested in teaching anywhere in Germany.

Concrete suggestions, please.
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Katchafire



Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Location: Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try this link ...

http://www.teachermexconnect.com/europe.html

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dimnd



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Location: Western USA

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:49 am    Post subject: Fee to submit a resume???!!! Reply with quote

That is ludicrous. MexConnect charges a 39.00 fee to submit the resume and send your resume to places.
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Thiuda



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching ESL in Germany with TESOL Reply with quote

dimnd wrote:
Does anyone know how to go about teaching English in Germany? Have some friends there and would like to go. Both my gf and I are both interested in teaching anywhere in Germany.

Concrete suggestions, please.


Do you hold EU citizenship? No. Forget about it.
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Stones1962



Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Location: Europe/Asia

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are an American or Canadian (and possibly Aussie and Kiwi, not exactly sure) it is quite easy.

Get a letter of intent to hire from an institute, or several places, and take it to the foreign police office...as well as a 1 year lease showing you have a place to live...if you know anyone in the city where you want to work this can be a cheap alternative...

In some cases you can have your work permit and residence permit by the end of the day....I did it in Munich and was in and out in 2 hours...that was in 2007

As per a treaty signed by Germany and the US (and the other 'good countries Very Happy ) at the end of the war, we get some special treatment.
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LostinKSpace



Joined: 17 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching in germany is a blast, although it can be difficult to save money and you will not get free housing or an end of year bonus Smile

I taught there for 2 years and really enjoyed it, for the first two years you pay a reduced tax rate as well. While many ESL schools prefer people from EU countries (it is just easier for visa purposes) I met many American and Australian people teaching there. Many schools require a recognized TEFL certificate i.e. Cambridge, Trinity, SIT and will not consider something that you did on the internet although I am sure it is still possible to teach there without these qualifications the opportunities for good jobs is not as high.

Good luck, Germany is a great country to live in Berlin is ace, as are Dusseldorf, and Koln.
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Thiuda



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching ESL in Germany with TESOL Reply with quote

Thiuda wrote:
dimnd wrote:
Does anyone know how to go about teaching English in Germany? Have some friends there and would like to go. Both my gf and I are both interested in teaching anywhere in Germany.

Concrete suggestions, please.


Do you hold EU citizenship? No. Forget about it.


I was wrong, other posters were right; securing a permit is relatively easy if you have a job lined up before applying for a residency permit. I found this quite informative: How To Germany

If I were you, I wouldn't go with the expectation of making much money in Germany. Having worked in the ESL industry in Germany for several years, I can tell you that it takes quite a long time to get to the point that you can save some of it. Tutoring is possible, but unlike here in Korea there isn't as much demand for it. And, unless you're highly qualified (MA/B Ed. in hand), you're relatively limited in your work options; mostly private schools, but not schools and universities.
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Depths of My Soul



Joined: 04 Apr 2010
Location: In The Sun

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: Fee to submit a resume???!!! Reply with quote

dimnd wrote:
That is ludicrous. MexConnect charges a 39.00 fee to submit the resume and send your resume to places.


Seems like a scam to me. As I said on another post, a recruiter should be paid by the institutions, companies, schools etc. that they manage to find teachers for.

$40 just to submit a CV!!!!!!!!! Seems like a con.
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English Matt



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you speak German? If you don't then I would forget about it as you will be a bottomfeeder in the TEFL industry over there. Almost all teaching jobs in Germany are freelance, the average pay is around EUR15 and hour. Once you factor in the high taxes and health insurance (required of all people who live in Germany and costing around EUR150 a month) you won't be taking much home. You only get paid for teaching hours, not for prep, in almost all cases you will have to work for more than one institute (in fact you need to be hired by two places for the work permit) and it will take a while to find enough work to live off.

In addition, you only have 3 months in country to find work, an apartment and legalise yourself with the authorities (i.e. get a work permit). How much savings do you have......most landlords will not rent to somebody who is unemployed unless you have substantial savings in hand. Even if you have an offer of freelance work in hand, most landlords will still be reluctant to rent to you. If you don't find work during those first three months then you will have to return home and will not be allowed back in the country for another 3 months.

A better idea (if you have the finances) would be to go as a language student: this will give you a year to get a handle on the language (which will open more employment opportunities to you) and to make the contacts you will need (private students, other teachers, etc) to make this work.

I am an EU citizen who speaks German and will be moving to Berlin in July. I have substantial savings and have discounted the idea of trying to make a living as a teacher......financially I would be better off working in a bar or as a tour guide.

If you are not an EU citizen and do not speak German then I see this as an expensive misadventure......even if, against all odds, you find work, you will be living in poverty.


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English Matt



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: Fee to submit a resume???!!! Reply with quote

Depths of My Soul wrote:
dimnd wrote:
That is ludicrous. MexConnect charges a 39.00 fee to submit the resume and send your resume to places.


Seems like a scam to me. As I said on another post, a recruiter should be paid by the institutions, companies, schools etc. that they manage to find teachers for.

$40 just to submit a CV!!!!!!!!! Seems like a con.


MexConnect are famously a scam.....just run a search for them on other country forums on Dave's. They provide a list of schools in other countries for the fee....often it is out of date.
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PenName



Joined: 27 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Germans learn English is school from a young age. So, as an English teacher you will probably be working with immigrants most of the time, mostly from Turkey.
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Thiuda



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PenName wrote:
Germans learn English is school from a young age. So, as an English teacher you will probably be working with immigrants most of the time, mostly from Turkey.


With what group of students you work with will depend on your location and qualifications. Yes, Germans do learn English from a young age, but then so do Koreans; i.e. there's a lot of Germans that need extra instruction, especially in business, where employers often ask for Verhandlungssicheres Englisch. I worked mostly with Germans, with only 10% of my clients having a migratory background.

Matt is right. If you don't speak at least intermediate German, go somewhere else.
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dbmctague



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're patient and bold enough, apply to a german University and get a bachelors and Masters to teach in the public school system.

That's what I'm doing at least this fall.
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jugbandjames



Joined: 15 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't applied for a job & visa there, but I traveled in Germany recently. Many of the people I met said it's the easiest country for an American to immigrate to because they have a negative population growth among native Germans.

This sounds bad, and idk if I'd be willing to do it personally, but several people told me that if you're Jewish, look Jewish, or willing to say that you're Jewish, it can help. Sort of the German version of white guilt, I guess.
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

such a ashame as Germany is such a beautiful country
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