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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: |
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The article would leave me to believe that the leak originated with him, further legitimizing my suspicion that he only did this for publicity.
Perry's security detail was not required to file a report about the governor discharging a weapon, said Department of Public Safety spokeswoman Tela Mange.
"People shoot coyotes all the time, snakes all the time," Mange said. "We don't write reports." |
I agree, it's almost certain this was nothing more than a publicity stunt specifically meant to link Perry with gun rights in the mind of conservative voters. |
Yup. You'd be surprised how politicians prostrate themselves before the gun lobby. There is an election coming up and Perry is losing among 2A groups.
Not that he's bad for gunowners by most states' standards, but liberalization has slowed down the last couple years, especially for open carry.
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Hot damn, sensitive much? When I'm back home in Memphis, I rarely leave the house without carrying, and I have been for the past five years (though admittedly, for the last 2.5 years I've have been in Korea off and on). I normally carry a 9mm Glock, but sometimes end up with my dad's .45 Kimber (which I don't care much for; fun at the range, but less-than-ideal for real-world personal protection).
So do I pass? Do I get to weigh in with opinions on firearms now? Rolling Eyes |
I'm calling your bluff. You're saying a .45 is inferior to a 9mm? And you're saying you'd strap on 3lbs of Austrian tupperware instead of a pocket pistol while jogging?
The LCP is a phenomenal best seller, despite nationwide shortages of .380 since 2008. Yeah, the terminal ballistics are mild, but a .380 in your pocket while jogging is better than the plastic brick at home in the gun safe. The LCP won't bounce nearly as much with each step.
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If it really happened like this (and that's a huge 'if'; I can't imagine a lone coyote in an undeveloped area approaching a large adult and another animal while being yelled at), then a warning shot would have solved the situation much better. Coyotes are small and oppurtunistic predators. If it was rabid, it would make more sense, but... does Texas not test animals involved in strange attacks on humans for rabies?
The much more likely scenario is Perry saw a coyote and either a) felt like shooting something (hot damn, I have this awesome toy and I never get to use it!), b) wanted a reason to get in the news to help his re-election campaign, or c) a combination of a and b. |
I'm sorry you don't like Perry, but that doesn't give you poetic license with the news, regardless of how utterly insignificant and polititabloid it is.
Coyotes, like any animal, will attack or harrass humans if they lose their fear of them. One of my regular humming birds will buzz the heads of people near its feeder -- an extremely bold transformation. The article reads almost like the coyote was waiting for Perry to feed it, a possible situation if it has been frequenting suburbia.
But coyotes are wild animals, they are unpredictable, and rabies isn't nearly as obvious all of the time as Looney Toons would lead you to believe. The animal approached a human being and behaved in a strange fashion. Perry was wise to shoot it as the animal was not behaving in a natural fashion, diseased or otherwise.
But yeah, how fashionable for you, a supposed gunowner, to accuse another gun owner of acting like an idiot because he has a gun. You're a real civil rights hero, there. Just another redneck with a gun, right?  |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| .38 Special wrote: |
| I'm calling your bluff. |
Yay, been a while since I've been outright called a liar on teh internetz.
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| You're saying a .45 is inferior to a 9mm? |
No, I didn't say that at all. I prefer a 9mm over a .45, as in the vast majority of situations I would [probably need to brandish my weapon the much larger clip size and smaller size would be preferable to the (in my opinion) unnecessary increase in stopping power.
9mm, .40, and .45 are all great choices for personal protection, and I'm incredibly surprised that you would not know that there's a great degree of personal preference in choosing which firearm is best for each particular owner. Should I be calling your bluff?
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| And you're saying you'd strap on 3lbs of Austrian tupperware instead of a pocket pistol while jogging? |
No, I believe I said (two times now?) that if I were to choose an inferior weapon because I needed something smaller and lighter, I wouldn't diminish the only advantage the .380 has by adding a laser-sight.
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| I'm sorry you don't like Perry, but that doesn't give you poetic license with the news, regardless of how utterly insignificant and polititabloid it is. |
I know absolutely nothing about Perry outside of what I've just read in this article. I made no comments about his politics or his personal character outside of what was explicitly stated in the article. Don't strawman me.
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| Coyotes, like any animal, will attack or harrass humans if they lose their fear of them. |
Maybe you should reread the article.
Perry said he will carry his .380 Ruger � loaded with hollow-point bullets � when jogging on trails because he is afraid of snakes. He'd also seen coyotes in the undeveloped area.
That's not an area likely to be populated by coyotes that have become accustomed to contact with humans.
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| The article reads almost like the coyote was waiting for Perry to feed it, a possible situation if it has been frequenting suburbia. |
And if that were true, again, a simple shot in the dirt would likely have scared it off (and if instead it turned aggressive, a split-second later he could resight and shoot the coyote itself). Even according to the account given, the coyote was posing no immediate threat. He had time to entertain other options. He chose not to.
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| Perry was wise to shoot it as the animal was not behaving in a natural fashion, diseased or otherwise. |
No, at best he was extremely uncomfortable and unfamiliar with using his firearm; at worst he was trigger-happy and bloodthirsty.
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| But yeah, how fashionable for you, a supposed gunowner, to accuse another gun owner of acting like an idiot because he has a gun. |
I didn't accuse him of being an idiot because he has a gun; I and many of my close friends and relatives would have to fall to the same accusation. I would only call someone with a gun an idiot if he acted like an idiot with his gun. I don't much appreciate jackasses giving the extreme left any more ammunition for attacking our gun rights. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Good for him! Coyote could have had rabies or otherwise hurt his dog. |
Are you really being serious with that answer? |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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I'll forgo the mass quoting for the sake of convenience.
Laser sights diminish "the only advantage" of a pocket pistol? Unless being very difficult to fire accurately is an advantage, there is no advantage lost using a laser sight on an LCP. The CT attaches below the barrel and is absolutely unobtrusive. I'm having a hard time imagining the disadvantage of a positive aiming system.
You're saying that he was blood thirsty for shooting a coyote that was not afraid of him? Coyotes don't stick around at close distance to a yelling human being unless something is wrong with them.
You're absolutely certain that it is inconceivable that human beings live near trails in Texas? Surely the Governor takes his jogs in the most remote, unpopulated wildernesses, free of campers or passersby.
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| I normally carry a 9mm Glock, but sometimes end up with my dad's .45 Kimber (which I don't care much for; fun at the range, but less-than-ideal for real-world personal protection). |
Regarding the .45 comment, I was referring to your opinion that the 1911 platform is "less-than-ideal" for self-defense. Too much power to the .45? I'd disagree with that. When the wind blows black there is no such thing as overkill, in my opinion, though the .45 is far from overkill in my opinion. .357, 10mm, .450 Corbon are the upper level that most people are comfortable carrying and I reckon I fall in with them.
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| ... felt like shooting something (hot damn, I have this awesome toy and I never get to use it!) ... |
That's the condescending comment that I was referring to. To imply that he shot an animal for no better reason that he had a gun is precisely the argument anti-rights folks use to ban the bearing of arms, ergo my reaction.
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| No, at best he was extremely uncomfortable and unfamiliar with using his firearm; at worst he was trigger-happy and bloodthirsty. |
Care to elaborate on why killing a coyote that approached his daughter's puppy and would not retreat after yelling is any indication that he was "uncomfortable and unfamiliar using his firearm?" It seems to me that he was not only comfortable and familiar with his pistol but he hit precisely what he was aiming at -- a coyote that needed killing. How does killing a confrontational varmint equate "trigger-happy" and "bloodthirsty?" It's not as though he sought the coyote out, stalked it, and killed it for the fun of it.
Personally, I don't have any stake in this. I'm just arguing for the fun of it. But I'll advocate for the wily devil himself because both the article and some of the reaction to it are condescending to gun owners and those who carry a firearm for protection. The man had a legal right to defend himself and his property from a confrontational animal. He apparently felt the need to put it down. The news report wasn't there to tell otherwise. All this is is after-the-fact chest thumping by ideologues who weren't there (myself not exempted). Therefore, it is not a matter of why Perry is "bragging" about killing something 1/10th his size (no point bringing up something so trivial at all, really) but instead an ethical matter of the typical scenario that he was in. I see no evidence to indicate that he erred in any way. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Dont know why this is news. Coyotes are shoot on sight in most states. I live in a small city in the states, Coyotes come into the middle of the city. they are over populated, kill hundreds of thousand head of livestock every year attack humans spread diseases and since they are an invasive they have pushed out native species. . |
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