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mises
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 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: Arizona defunds ethnic studies programs |
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/30/arizona-legislature-passes-banning-ethnic-studies-programs/?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r3:c0.000000:b0:z5
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Arizona Legislature Passes Bill to Curb 'Chauvanism' in Ethnic Studies Programs
After making national headlines for a new law on illegal immigrants, the Arizona Legislature sent Gov. Jan Brewer a bill Thursday that would ban ethnic studies programs in the state that critics say currently advocate separatism and racial preferences.
After making national headlines for a new law on illegal immigrants, the Arizona Legislature passed a bill Thursday that would ban ethnic studies programs in the state that critics say currently advocate separatism and racial preferences.
The bill, which passed 32-26 in the state House, had been approved by the Senate a day earlier. It now goes to Gov. Jan Brewer for her signature.
The new bill would make it illegal for a school district to teach any courses that promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, promote resentment of a particular race or class of people, are designed primarily for students of a particular ethnic group or "advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."
The bill stipulates that courses can continue to be taught for Native American pupils in compliance with federal law and does not prohibit English as a second language classes. It also does not prohibit the teaching of the Holocaust or other cases of genocide.
Schools that fail to abide by the law would have state funds withheld.
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Horne began fighting in 2007 against the Tucson Unified School District's program, which he said defied Martin Luther King's call to judge a person by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Horne claimed the ethnic studies program encourages "ethnic chauvanism," promotes Latinos to rise up and create a new territory out of the southwestern region of the United States and tries to intimidate conservative teachers in the school system.
But opponents said the bill would prevent teachers from using an academically proven method of educating students about history. They also argued that the Legislature should not be involved in developing school curriculum. |
Is the tide turning against 90's style radical multiculturalism? |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ehh... This one is bizarre. No talk of violent uprising against the government? Well, it's not like the students are going to miss out on Revolutionary history and constitutional study that's being taught.
I'd be curious to know if there is a substantial precedent in the public schools to justify such a bill. Is racial superiority truly a prevalent theme in civics classes? Is separatism that scary?
I think this law is rather bizarre. Perhaps I'm simply ignorant of such courses. Ethnic studies was a huge part of my university education and served to counter arguments of racial superiority and "solidarity."
I just don't get it, I guess. Maybe this is a knee-jerk reaction from the white retiree voting block in Arizona who believe that Latino and African Americans are brainwashing their grandchildren into becoming their mindless PC zombies? I have no idea.
Anyone from Arizona who endured the state indoctrination camps, erm... went through the public school system can enlighten us.
In the meantime, I'll continue spreading murmurs of overthrowing the US government in favor of a Scotch-Irish poli-ethnic confederation...  |
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kcs0001
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Its probably too little too late. Why the Latinos want to replicate the cesspool that is Mexico in El Norte is beyond me. They would be well advised not to kill the Golden Goose (business & White taxpayers) if they want AZ DES debit cards, jobs, schools, in state tuition at State Universities, preference in Gov't jobs. Heck, even I have been affected by leftist doctrine in that I call them "Latinos" which is a PC palatable term instead of "Mexican" which is considered by the leftist to be a pejorative if uttered by a white.
"Diversity is our strength"
Al Gore
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Arizona, the state which elected Barry Goldwater five times, is simply returning to its roots politically, though perhaps motivated a bit by fear of cultural change. Social conservatism run amok. Anti-Libertarian sentiments hidden behind the ideology. |
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kcs0001
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| Arizona, the state which elected Barry Goldwater five times, is simply returning to its roots politically, though perhaps motivated a bit by fear of cultural change. Social conservatism run amok. Anti-Libertarian sentiments hidden behind the ideology. |
Yeah, cultural change like being number 2 in the world in kidnapping, a leader in human trafficing, sex slavery. I know, it's just a cultural thang.
BTW- another patrolman was shot today -
The Sheriff's Deputy was shot by suspected illegal immigrants near Casa Grande.
http://kfyi.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=118695?feed=118695&article=7063366
(KFYI News) A Pinal County Sheriff's deputy was shot in the abdomen during a drug-interdiction investigation along Interstate 8 west of Casa Grande on Friday afternoon. According to the Pinal County Sheriff's Office, suspects were seen running from the scene with AK-47s. They may have been illegal immigrants.
The deputy is expected to survive. However , his whereabouts were unknown for a period of time after the shooting. He managed to report the shooting on his radio, but by the time backup personnel arrived, the deputy and the gunmen were nowhere to be found. The deputy was spotted a while later from the air, was up on his feet, and was reportedly directing the DPS helicopter to an area where he thought the suspects might be, before being taken to the hospital.
The Sheriff's Office says the deputy is part of the PCSO's Search and Rescue team. He told his colleagues that there were 5 suspects, with at least two "long guns" and a handgun. They are still being sought. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Arizona defunds ethnic studies programs |
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| mises wrote: |
Horne began fighting in 2007 against the Tucson Unified School District's program, which he said defied Martin Luther King's call to judge a person by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Horne claimed the ethnic studies program encourages "ethnic chauvanism," promotes Latinos to rise up and create a new territory out of the southwestern region of the United States and tries to intimidate conservative teachers in the school system.
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At it's core, this is what the bill is all about: the government of Arizona expressing hostility towards Hispanics for purely political reasons. Again. And they'll keep doing it now that they think they can get away with it.
And hey, whatever. Anyone who doesn't like it can move, and Arizona can waste taxpayer funds taking legal action against immigrants and fighting off lawsuits. Arizona businesses can suffer due to the cheap labor they're predicated upon vanishing, lowering tax revenues in the process. And when Arizona is worse off than it was before, they can just insist it's because of illegal immigrants and pass another anti-Hispanic bill. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| The legislature should not be involved in developing school curriculum. |
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rollo
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Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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I really didnt undestand the intent of this bill. I have a masters in cultural Anthropology. I had to study ethnograpys. Ethnic study is what Anthropologist do. We also look at political systems and often revolutions and revolutionaries.
States like Arizona are being buired by illegals. The systems are breaking down. In California illegal women crossing to have their babies in the U.s. totally bankrupted the California health care system. This is a lot more complicated than simple rascism, since many. a majority I believe of legal immigrants supported the targeting of illegals. But this bill is so vague and Iam not really sure what it is about. Mexico will not do anything to stop illegals crossing since this acts as a safety valve and keeps unrest down at home. Really complicated and really sad, for people who mostly just want better lives. If there is a villian it is the mexican govenment. |
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Fox
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Here's another tidbit: it's now illegal to hire teachers with an accent to teach English in Arizona:
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PHOENIX�As the academic year winds down, Creighton School Principal Rosemary Agneessens faces a wrenching decision: what to do with veteran teachers whom the state education department says don't speak English well enough.
The Arizona Department of Education recently began telling school districts that teachers whose spoken English it deems to be heavily accented or ungrammatical must be removed from classes for students still learning English.
Karla Campillo-Soto teaches a kindergarten class for students with limited English at Creighton School in Phoenix. The native of Mexico took a course to try to reduce her accent in English. Two other kindergarten teachers at the school were deemed not fluent enough for such students.
State education officials say the move is intended to ensure that students with limited English have teachers who speak the language flawlessly. But some school principals and administrators say the department is imposing arbitrary fluency standards that could undermine students by thinning the ranks of experienced educators.
The teacher controversy comes amid an increasingly tense debate over immigration. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer this month signed the nation's toughest law to crack down on illegal immigrants. Critics charge that the broader political climate has emboldened state education officials to target immigrant teachers at a time when a budget crisis has forced layoffs.
"This is just one more indication of the incredible anti-immigrant sentiment in the state," said Bruce Merrill, a professor emeritus at Arizona State University who conducts public-opinion research.
Margaret Dugan, deputy superintendent of the state's schools, disagreed, saying that critics were "politicizing the educational environment."
In the 1990s, Arizona hired hundreds of teachers whose first language was Spanish as part of a broad bilingual-education program. Many were recruited from Latin America.
Then in 2000, voters passed a ballot measure stipulating that instruction be offered only in English. Bilingual teachers who had been instructing in Spanish switched to English. |
Step 1: Actively hire a bunch of bilingual teachers competent in Spanish to teach children.
Step 2: Alter policy to force those teachers to instruct only in English.
Step 3: Illegalize those teachers teaching the students they were specifically hired to teach because they have an accent.
This is some Korean Government style legislation right here.
What's even more ridiculous is the question of what constitutes an accent. Are people with a Southern accent now banned from teaching English in Arizona? Because to be honest, many of them have much thicker, more difficult to penetrate accents than native Spanish speakers who go on to learn English. Of course in reality, this issue will probably never be seriously considered, as again, this is pretty clearly a law whose focus is on a certain ethnic minority. |
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kcs0001
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| In your theoretical Potemkin villiage, MS 13 , The Zetas, and The Sinaloa and Gulf cartels just want to have the American dream like any other illegal immigrants. They are of noble Mestizo stock, and it follows since they are ethnic minorities we should celebrate the diverse tapestry of the their enriching backgrounds. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Jan Brewer defends Arizona's recent slew of legislation by appealing to terrorism:
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Today during a Fox News interview about Arizona�s new controversial immigration law, Gov. Jan Brewer (R) commiserated with host Megyn Kelly about all the criticism she�s been receiving from people outside of Arizona. When Kelly asked if the critics have a real �appreciation� for Arizona�s immigration problem, Brewer said �obviously not,� likening it to the state being �under terrorist attacks�:
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KELLY: Do you think that these folks who are all noticeably outside of your state, are the ones that I just ticked off, including the President, have an appreciation, governor, for what Arizona has been going through with respect to illegal immigration?
BREWER: Obviously not. You know Arizona has been under terrorist attacks, if you will, with all of this illegal immigration that has been taking place on our very porous border. [�] The whole issue comes back, that we do not and will not tolerate illegal immigration bringing with it very much so the implications of crime and terrorism into our state. |
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Is there anything Republicans won't try to justify in the name of fighting terrorism? |
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mises
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Alight then. I want the government to pay for and teach curriculum provided for The Race (the white version). |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Arizona businesses can suffer due to the cheap labor they're predicated upon vanishing |
Why is this such a bad thing. Cheap labour is not the begin and end all.
When Indonesia was paying people $1,.50 a day to make shoes that were selling for $200 in my country, how could we ever compete with that?
Push our employees into the poverty status?
Why not expect every worker in certain categories to earn similar wages then hire according to who can do the best job not the cheapest.
Plus, I don't understand why the US should accept 10 million illegal people in thier country? Look, I understand some 3rd generation american to not want to be stopped on the street and asked if he's an illegal.
But illegal is not legal in any country and most are economically abused. Why should the US continue to condone that? |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| In your theoretical Potemkin villiage, MS 13 , The Zetas, and The Sinaloa and Gulf cartels just want to have the American dream like any other illegal immigrants. They are of noble Mestizo stock, and it follows since they are ethnic minorities we should celebrate the diverse tapestry of the their enriching backgrounds. |
Only one thing can truly integrate such a diverse crowd: A barbecue with hamburgers, hot dogs, and iced tea. Yum.  |
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Fox
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| Arizona businesses can suffer due to the cheap labor they're predicated upon vanishing |
Why is this such a bad thing. |
It's up to the people of Arizona if they feel it's a bad thing or not. I don't really care at this point; they've shown they're going to go ahead with their anti-hispanic approach, so they can have at it. Anyone there who doesn't like it can move, and anyone outside the state that doesn't like it can stop doing business with them.
My point is simply that the people of Arizona shouldn't be surprised when the policies they're putting into place now come at a substantial cost. And they will, assuming they don't get overturned.
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| Plus, I don't understand why the US should accept 10 million illegal people in thier country? |
I'm not saying illegal aliens should be tolerated, but rounding them up one by one and throwing them out of the country is incredibly cost ineffective. Needlessly harassing people based on racial profiling is ludicrious. Banning ethnic studies specifically to spite Hispanics is petty. Firing bilingual teachers with an accent who you previously specifically went out of your way to hire is counter-productive.
It's fine to be against illegal immigration, but this isn't the way to go about it. Arizona is behaving stupidly. If they want fewer illegal immigrants, they need to target the people who hire them, not the immigrants themselves. That's the cost effective way to do it, and it's also in accordance with the law. Building walls, patrolling the boarder, racially profiling people and demanding to see their papers, it's all stupidity meant to cater to a certain subset of the population. This can all be done both more cheaply and more ethically, but the people of Arizona don't seem interested in either cost or ethics right now. |
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