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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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 Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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So you found some users whose S9 has bricked......
Well, guess what! I found some ipod users who seem to have bricks for ipods.......and it would seem they number in the thousands.......unless this guy is lying...oh, and he seems to be a happy S9 user now. |
What's the top result when you google "bricking an ipod?" A link that reveals it's essentially impossible because ipods have a recovery mode that sets them back to factory settings. So, the guy you quote doesn't know what he's talking about.
Moving on, what got this whole ball rolling was a certain someone insinuating that Apple products were too much hassle to use. I submit that Cowon products are just as much of a pain in the ass to use or quite possibly even more. I've got extensive experience with Cowon, it appears you've never even used an iPod, so whose opinion carries more weight?
(Anecdotal evidence: I bricked my first D2 the day I got it. My crime? Following the instructions on how to update the firmware. Returned it, got another, did the EXACT SAME THING to update the new, new one, and the update completed.) |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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I've got extensive experience with Cowon, it appears you've never even used an iPod, so whose opinion carries more weight?
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But you haven't used an S9.....which is what I'm talking about. I never mentioned other Cowon products because I don't know much about them except that I've heard a lot of people praise the D2.
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| Anecdotal evidence: I bricked my first D2 the day I got it. My crime? Following the instructions on how to update the firmware. Returned it, got another, did the EXACT SAME THING to update the new, new one, and the update completed.) |
Well, I've updated the firmware on my S9 twice without a hitch........does that cancel out your negative experience?? 
This is basically a zero-sum argument. For every pro and con of S9's I could give you a pro and con of ipods........if one product was clearly and indisputably better than another for the same price then there would be nothing to talk about. Everybody would buy that product. You'd be dumb not to.
But a lot of people don't buy ipods......especially outside N. America. There are reasons for that. They aren't perfect. No PMP is. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| But you haven't used an S9.....which is what I'm talking about. I never mentioned other Cowon products because I don't know much about them except that I've heard a lot of people praise the D2. |
Yet it appears not having used a product doesn't stop you from disparaging it, does it? (Do we really need to see what started this discussion? It certainly wasn't from negative comments I made about an mp3 player I haven't used.) |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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I do a lot of reading on tech sites. I read a lot of expert and user reviews. That's why I bought an S9 rather than an ipod. I liked what was being said about it by trusted review sites.
Here's most of what I would say about three devices....S9......ipod Touch....Samsung P3....
http://www.pocketables.net/2009/03/apple-ipod-touch-2g-vs-cowon-s9-vs-samsung-p3.html
I think this reviewer hit a lot of nails on the head and seems very fair and balanced.
At the end of the day, when buying a PMP (it seems wrong to call them MP3 players anymore as they do so much more than that) my biggest priority was sound quality. And enough net reviewers seemed blown away by the sound of the S9 to sway me. When I started using it I was indeed amazed. Using good IEM's the S9 sounds fantastic. Balanced and detailed, yet dynamic.
My next priority was screen quality.......again, the AMOLED screen of the S9 was widely praised all over the net. And again, when I got it I had to agree. Very good color and contrast.
You know, I always upset Apple users on this forum when I point out any criticisms or weakness of their products. Please don't get upset! I'm not attacking you personally! |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Take it personally? You MAKE it personal. Did you not see the links I provided on the other thread which illustrate you making it personal?
You can't even be unique, you have to copy the words of a another because you have absolutely no evidence of your own to base your comparisons.
If you read a lot of tech site reviews, you would have also read again and again that the majority of those writers actually favor OSX over Windows7 for it's better speed, efficiency and out of the box advantages, yet you positioned to disagree with them when we argued about it before.
You argued AGAINST them, and now you want to agree with them?
You are just as biased, and just as full of coolaide as you accuse mac users to be. It's not that we can't take the heat, but it would help if you knew what the hell you were talking about. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Take it personally? You MAKE it personal. Did you not see the links I provided on the other thread which illustrate you making it personal?
You can't even be unique, you have to copy the words of a another because you have absolutely no evidence of your own to base your comparisons.
If you read a lot of tech site reviews, you would have also read again and again that the vast majority of those writers actually favor OSX over Windows7 for it's better speed, efficiency and out of the box advantages, yet you positioned to disagree with them when we argued about it before.
You argued AGAINST them, and now you want to agree with them?
You are just as biased, and just as full of coolaide as you accuse mac users to be. It's not that we can't take the heat, but it would help if you knew what the hell you were talking about. |
Hey Crescent.....I thought you'd weigh in..
I've been trying hard in this thread to be objective. It's the ipod users who seem very defensive. I've been trying to be placating by saying that every device has pros and cons........but that doesn't seem good enough for some ipod users.
As for evidence, you know, I had to buy an MP3 player. One MP3 player. I would like to have the money to buy a nice 32GB Touch and use it alongside the S9......then I could really compare both devices and really see which one suits me better......that would be the only fair way to do that.....but I can't because my wife would go nuts if I bought two expensive PMP's!! Rightly so.
Most of us have to choose one device and run with that. That's why we use the tech review sites......because the guys there have the luxury of having the various devices at the same time and comparing them side-by-side.......
Saying that I take the words of another is quoting expert opinion!! Same thing you're doing with the OSX vs W7 debate. If a writer on a tech site is convincing then I'll take that opinion onboard and put it in the mix with the other respected tech writers......we have to because we can't go out and buy all these devices ourselves.
I might just try out a Mac or OSX or both one day....I just might. But right now I'm happy where I am and Mac stuff is too expensive. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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You don' t have to placate. We're familiar with your cynical position. I don't think there is a single Mac thread without your plagiarized comparisons.
And you also have no basis to be objective because you have no evidence for your opinions. There's nothing wrong with quoting tech writers, but don't turn around and argue against their consensus when it suits you.
And, iPod 'users' getting defensive? What exactly are you doing? I only see one, who decided to argue against you from his own personal comparison. Something you cannot provide. You don't need to buy PMPs to get a feel for them. Just try them out when you see them on display.
Notice I'm not saying anything about Cowon, because I haven't used one. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| There's nothing wrong with quoting tech writers, but don't turn around and argue against their consensus when it suits you. |
Do you think all those tech writers use OSX and not Windows? They might run benchmarks which show that OSX is faster in some areas.....but what will they do when they want to test a game? Or some business software?
No one here is arguing that Apple stuff is bad. Please get that straight. I have only praise for the ipod Touch. A fantastic PMP.
But so is the Cowon S9!!
See what I'm saying here?? I don't think the ipod Touch (or OSX) are bad tech. True, I don't like how itunes restricts and how you have to convert a lot of files to play on ipods...... those are the cons, but they have lots of pros.
So if I criticize Apple products it doesn't mean I think you're an idiot for buying that device. But you would think that's what I was saying when I say anything negative about Apple. The defensiveness is startling.......I certainly don't get riled up when I hear criticism about my MP3 player or my PC. They're just products made by other people. Not me.
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| And, iPod 'users' getting defensive? What exactly are you doing? I only see one, who decided to argue against you from his own personal comparison. Something you cannot provide. |
Adam hasn't used an S9.
But he did use a tech-writer review to point out that the menu system of the S9 is unintuitive. When I read that I didn't start banging the keyboard and accuse him of talking out of his orifice.......I agreed. It is a convoluted menu system.
I haven't had any Kool-aid. I use tech writers and my own judgement to see the pros and cons. I don't have a loyalty to any company or format. I could easily go out tomorrow and buy an ipod Touch.........if I thought my wife wouldn't go ballistic! |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Banging on the keyboard, eh? Is that what you think? You don't get it.
Someone asks a question about converting formats, and you need to chime in to ask why people even bother buying iPods. Then, you say you're being objective. Then, in the same thread, you say you might buy one?
And, you're NOT drunk on anything?
What you perceive as defensiveness to criticism, is simply a position in an argument that opposes your load of crap.
BTW, do different Cowon models use a different OS? If not, then Adam has used an S9 menu. |
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Pangit
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Location: Puet mo.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.videohelp.com/ Is a good place to start when it comes to video decoding/recoding.
I haven't checked that site for info concerning this particular format change, but I'd say Nero Recode would do it. Not sure what you'd use as a free alternative. http://sourceforge.net tends to have well-written software - try a search there.
Enough with the thread derailment. It's getting juvenile on both sides. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Banging on the keyboard, eh? Is that what you think? You don't get it.
Someone asks a question about converting formats, and you need to chime in to ask why people even bother buying iPods. Then, you say you're being objective. Then, in the same thread, you say you might buy one?
And, you're NOT drunk on anything?
What you perceive as defensiveness to criticism, is simply a position in an argument that opposes your load of crap.
BTW, do different Cowon models use a different OS? If not, then Adam has used an S9 menu. |
I would like an ipod Touch for its feature list.......a standard ipod doesn't appeal however.
Each Cowon has it's own firmware. The S9 is a very different animal from the D2 in it's functionality.....I've tried out my students D2s and they didn't seem anything like the S9.
But I agree with the above user.....this is a thread derail......back to discussing how to recode files to play on your ipods. |
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rojo
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:19 pm Post subject: Convert avi to mp4 |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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More on the hassle free Cowon:
Scratches on the "Scratch proof" screen
My iPod Touch has been jangling around my pocket for over 2 years with no scratches.
Possible Artwork Corruption
Artwork corruption that leads to a bricking? I think most people would feel that occasionally encoding a video or just downloading iPod format videos in the first place is a bit less of a hassle than that. |
In my opinion, the Cowon doesn't even come close to the ipod Touch simply because it lacks WIFI internet access. Until Cowon decides to put Wifi on their PMPs, they'll still be 4-5 years behind the ipod touch. |
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