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Summer Wine
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 Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: Report: Obama promised Abbas a Palestinian state within two |
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1166261.html
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U.S. President Barack Obama told Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas that he was committed to seeing the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state within two years, an Egyptian official told the Arabic-language daily Al-Hayat on Thursday.
Obama promised Abbas that the United States would make great effort to help see that Palestinian goal achieved, the official told the London-based newspaper.
The official also told Al-Hayat that Israel had rejected special U.S. envoy George Mitchell's proposal to withdraw Israel Defense Forces troops from Palestinian-occupied sections of the West Bank, as it did on the eve of the Second Intifada in 2000.
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It will be interesting to see if he can do it. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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It'll be a shame if Palestinians are forced to live in a failing Palestinian state. It will also be a shame if the citizens of Israel are forced to live alongside an endlessly unstable state that poses a constant security risk.
A one-state solution -- with the state in question being tolerant and ensuring minority rights -- would be far more humanitarian and, in the long run, successful. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
It'll be a shame if Palestinians are forced to live in a failing Palestinian state. It will also be a shame if the citizens of Israel are forced to live alongside an endlessly unstable state that poses a constant security risk.
A one-state solution -- with the state in question being tolerant and ensuring minority rights -- would be far more humanitarian and, in the long run, successful. |
It would also become majority muslim in short order.
I don't know why Gaza and the WB can't go back to Egypt and Jordan. Israel to 67 or some close approximation and we're done. How naive am I? |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| It would also become majority muslim in short order. |
That's an inevitability on a long-enough time scale no matter what. The resident Arabs will outbreed the Jews sooner or later.
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I don't know why Gaza and the WB can't go back to Egypt and Jordan.
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Maybe Jordan would have played ball on this at one point, but given it has started taking back the citizenships it gave out to Palestinians, I think that time has passed. I don't think they'd accept more, even if it came with some land attached. I doubt Egypt would be particularly happy to accept their allocation of refugees either. Arab nations simply don't want these people. Maybe the bribe of a bit of additional land would make the difference, but I doubt it.
Maybe I'm being too cynical, though. In any case, that's still a one-state solution. It's just a one-state solution that involves giving the excess land to other parties instead of forming a new state. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
It'll be a shame if Palestinians are forced to live in a failing Palestinian state. It will also be a shame if the citizens of Israel are forced to live alongside an endlessly unstable state that poses a constant security risk.
A one-state solution -- with the state in question being tolerant and ensuring minority rights -- would be far more humanitarian and, in the long run, successful. |
It would also become majority muslim in short order.
I don't know why Gaza and the WB can't go back to Egypt and Jordan. Israel to 67 or some close approximation and we're done. How naive am I? |
Of course, that would be the zero-state solution, as far as the Palestinians are concerned.
But why only go back to '67? Why not '48? |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Israeli-Palestinian proximity talks are set to start next week, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says.
Mrs Clinton told reporters in Washington that US special envoy George Mitchell would be returning to the region next week.
Plans to launch the indirect negotiations failed last month over a row about Israeli plans to build 1,600 homes in occupied East Jerusalem.
Israeli-Palestinian peace talks have been stalled since 2008.
"We will be starting with proximity talks next week," Mrs Clinton said.
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In some ways I think obama might be starting off on the wrong foot. The arabs already seem to hate the US, its probably not the best to make the Israelis hate them as well.
As it makes negotiation difficult at best, when they both think you are bias towards the other.
I guess this is the beginning of the plan.
(none of the above was determined by what was in the article, but rather what I have read over the last two weeks) |
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