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SMOE - permission for after school classes? WTF!
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject: SMOE - permission for after school classes? WTF! Reply with quote

Sorry but this is new to me. I was told earlier this week that ALL SMOE NETs now need consent and approval from immigration for after school classes.
Can anyone verify this? Apparently, our king, JP at SMOE head office is telling some pretty big stories or the Korean govt just made changes to the rules again and is messing things up with EEP and other English programs after school this year.

Apparently we now have to go down to immigration and inform them with a co-teacher about what extra contract and where, regardless if it is within SMOE. ??? Funny I phoned immigration and there was no mention of this.

This is just nuts.
I wanted after school contacts but now looks like that won't happen.
Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:09 am    Post subject: Re: SMOE - permission for after school classes? WTF! Reply with quote

I give up! Where's the next plane outta this country!??
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive me if I'm misinterpret what you wrote.

All private classes are illegal on an E-2 visa unless you have permission from your employer and immigration. So, I don't see the big change here. Unless, you're you're saying that you need permission from immigration to do after-school classes in the school you work in, that is something new.
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Steve_Rogers2008



Joined: 22 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for some reason, a massive game of "telephone" that went massively wrong came to mind..... Shocked
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fergalreid



Joined: 02 Apr 2010
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

afsjesse wrote:
Forgive me if I'm misinterpret what you wrote.

All private classes are illegal on an E-2 visa unless you have permission from your employer and immigration. So, I don't see the big change here. Unless, you're you're saying that you need permission from immigration to do after-school classes in the school you work in, that is something new.


I am going to go out on a limb. If the system was so crazy that a national immigration agency had to get involved in the provision of after school hours in a public school, there would be stressed principal uproar.
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: Crazy Reply with quote

Well, i am still waiting for the response from SMOE.
Seems like someone has messed up on their info.

Rolling Eyes pass the BS please!
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toonchoon



Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they want you to teach extra classes, have them take care of the paperwork.

you're a foreign worker, invited to work here, so have them take care of paperwork. each school has admin personnel that should handle this.
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Crazy Reply with quote

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:
Well, i am still waiting for the response from SMOE.
Seems like someone has messed up on their info.

Rolling Eyes pass the BS please!



LOL... Unless you've done something to piss off JP, don't expect him to ever get back to you about something important in a timely manner... Razz
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha then I've been working illegally all these weeks. Sounds like Mr. Bling talking out of his piehole.
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:16 am    Post subject: Re: Crazy Reply with quote

egrog1717 wrote:
Seoul'n'Corea wrote:
Well, i am still waiting for the response from SMOE.
Seems like someone has messed up on their info.

Rolling Eyes pass the BS please!



LOL... Unless you've done something to piss off JP, don't expect him to ever get back to you about something important in a timely manner... Razz


nope I wouldnt expect much from him. There are far more competent people that that fool. Jp is a condisending *beep* most days!
I don't like the way he talks to people especially during the orientation.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the situation you are talking about Corea, but I dont think its exactly what you think.

I don't think its that you ned permission, I think its just that they are being more strict with the documentation.

My school came to me last week and told me that I MUST go down to immigration and update them on a secondary school workplace that I go to once a week so that there were no issues.

I kindly told them that I was an F2 visa holder and did not have to jump through such hoops.

So I do not think it's about approval as much as being anal about follow up documentation

Course I've been wrong before.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a longtime epik teacher, heres my experience with this situation.

For years, my POE had an "understanding" with Immigration that the broadly worded contract enabled them to send their teachers anywhere officially sanctioned without express permission from immi. This worked fine & no one ever got busted, but immi decided it was against regulation.

So last year our schools were asked to submit a list of secondary workplaces for each teacher for immi's records. Nothing sinister, just abiding by the rules.

Afterschool classes at one's own main school should be totally unaffected.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply put, if the classes are in your school they fall under your regular contract work and perhaps are considered OT.

If the classes are in another school, you need permission from your employer and approval by immigration.

Private tutoring remains completely illegal on the E2.
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Swampthing500



Joined: 24 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could someone illuminate me as to the Jon Pak/JP hate?
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Simply put, if the classes are in your school they fall under your regular contract work and perhaps are considered OT.

If the classes are in another school, you need permission from your employer and approval by immigration.

Private tutoring remains completely illegal on the E2.


We aren't talking about privates here. We are talking about working within your employer (SMOE)/ SMOE is the employer legally. this now according to Immigration requires extra paper work which is NEW this year to do extra classes which doesn't make any sense at all. Apparently immigration made changes that immigration staff aren't aware of. Crazy! Phone immigration and they know nothing of this yet magically SMOE knows about the change.

As for JP, ask around an you'll see why he is unpopular with teachers.
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