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| Does Dave's need to get more "Korean"? |
| YES, only sellers living and working in Korea should be allowed to post here. |
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| YES, also, only sellers working as teachers. |
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| NO, useless and pointless. Every man for himself. Why help other people? |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: Does Dave's need to get more "Korean"? |
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I see some people on here outside of Korea trying to sell stuff. With all the scam crap going on, I think there needs to be some weeding out.
For example, I am in China. If I want to sell something, why try to sell it in Korea? Even though I might be able to get more, I have to find some way to ship it. It's still expensive.
I may be in Korea soon, and I have seen a few people's posts with things I do want to buy. As a potential buyer who might buy from someone in Korea, I should be allowed to post to the seller about this (I know it is already available, just showing where my thinking is). However, I should not sell from this particular forum. I would have to post an ad elsewhere (in this case, in the China section).
Let's face it, money is tight. People are resorting to anything to save or make a buck/won/kuai (whatever you want to call it). Let's take some preventive measures here folks, what do you think? Vote above. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Why the negative commentary on the NO vote? Trying to influence the vote?
How about, "NO. Every buyer should use due diligence, no matter where the seller is located". |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| "NO. Every buyer should use due diligence, no matter where the seller is located". |
The winner! |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Why the negative commentary on the NO vote? Trying to influence the vote?
How about, "NO. Every buyer should use due diligence, no matter where the seller is located". |
The point isn't on the buyer's side. That's how you are seeing it as negative. If I am trying to sell you product A, but I am competing against person 2 who is selling the same item in Korea, ok. However, when I compete against person 3 out in another country, my odds go down 20% you will buy it from me. Add a scammer to the equation, you might get some naive people thinking it is legit they are selling it lower than the people in Korea.
By being "Korean" in the title, I was suggesting the Koreans may have a point for being overprotective of its people. For example, the 1 week stay at home for teachers arriving in Korea, wearing masks, boycotting a country's beef as soon as it is found to be tainted, etc...
And the big one with the criminal checks compared to other countries.
Why don't we just use "due diligence" when hiring or taking jobs? Yes, we do have that as teachers, but as an employer they can demand the extras other countries aren't. In a similar way, I am suggesting we take some precautions here. That's all, nothing negative in my opinion.
If it is NO in the end, that does show the lack of compassion we "pretend" expats have for one another. Still not negative, but perhaps unfortunate. If you only want to get the cash, I guess Korea is the better paying country compared to many other countries. And, oh will the scammers follow  |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I think that this is a free internet forum and that the idea of what should and shouldn't be allowed is just plain silly....clearly the owner, Dave, wants to keep things relatively clean and tidy here as to maintain a "reasonably" professional atmosphere around here...but in the end the purpose of this forum is not to provide English teachers with a resource to help them live in Korea, but instead as a means of driving potential employees to this web-site to view the Job Postings page, where paying customers pay to post advertisements.
What difference does it make to Dave whether or not people are scammed on the Buy/Sell/Trade forum? or whether or not Poster A calls Poster B an idiot? As long as folk keep coming here, and as long as this traffic fills the jobs listed by the schools and recruiters in the Job Posting section then Dave has no motivation whatsoever to change the rules of the forum.
I don't believe that the existence of a product in China or any other country is going to drive down the price of products in Korea...really, how many people would make an international bank transfer and pay for international shipping to buy a used microwave from China instead of from Korea? And hey...if a seller overseas can provide products to teachers of Korea at a lower price after shipping and international bank fees and possibly import duties, that's called comparative advantage and we all win. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| the idea of what should and shouldn't be allowed is just plain silly |
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| the purpose of this forum is not to provide English teachers with a resource to help them live in Korea |
First you say it's silly, then you demonstrate it? 
I have to sign up for 2 different accounts on Dave's just to post in the China section. It's not a big deal if that's for everyone, and that's how they want to run it. However, to get someone from another country who is not in Korea, not going to be an ESL teacher, and not going to buy something in Korea sign up for an account SPECIFICALLY for people in Korea (it's already in the system, I am just suggesting we further it, more of the same), that to me is S-I-L-L-Y.
Should I be allowed to sell swamp land in Florida to people in Korea while living in China?
Pay Dave's some advertising money and let him decide. Until then, I would prefer not seeing that type of crap here.
I would rather as you put it, "provide English teachers with a resource to help them live in Korea" than provide scammers with a resource to help them live out of Korea. Either you get this or you don't.
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| how many people would make an international bank transfer and pay for international shipping to buy a used microwave from China instead of from Korea? |
That supports not allowing "used microwaves from China" being sold in this forum and it doesn't address what scammers are actually selling (computers, video game consoles, the higher ticket items).
So your point here is rather invalid, it doesn't address the people who sent money with the trust they built in Korea with fellow ESL teachers/foreigners.
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| if a seller overseas can provide products to teachers of Korea at a lower price after shipping and international bank fees and possibly import duties, that's called comparative advantage and we all win |
Again, you are missing the intent of this thread. It's not to abolish buying things abroad, it's more to do with putting things in their own place.
Looking above I see "Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Buy/Sell/Trade Forum"
When I look at products in China, do I go to "Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Buy/Sell/Trade Forum"?
NO. I have to go to the appropriate section. I have no problem doing that, but to see potential scammers take "cuts in line" so to speak, get an account, and get away with this is beyond belief. Why should I care? I am not in Korea.
Oh well. Maybe I will return, and maybe I want to be a part of improving the environment here so the honest people who have to leave can sell their stuff in a timely manner, and those that are new to Korea and don't know the pitfalls won't get scammed. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Lifeinkorea, your heart is in the right place, but your arguement sucks. Linking CBC's, Swine Flu and beef imports to how we should protect Dave's B/S/T forum from scammers is really silly.
Besides, all the recent scams have been done by people in Korea. Using due diligence and common sense will go a long ways in helping solve this problem. By banning certain groups of people could give a false sense of security to naive buyers and allow even more scammers to thrive.
Unfortunately, people are always going to get scammed, no matter what you do to help them avoid it. |
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yoja
Joined: 30 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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I understand your intent, but I also find it comically ironic that *technically* you
1 aren't even in Korea
2 aren't buying, selling, or trading anything (in Korea or otherwise)
and 3 your post is in the wrong forum
And fwiw, if you want to sell swamp land in Florida to people in Korea while living in China, I think you should go for it!! No need to let the computer scammer or the Tanzanian account guy get all the money. If there's a market for it, people will sell anything...and if you can convince people that it's a good deal, they'll buy anything.
Sorry, this is an internet forum in what is basically a free-market, at least when it comes to selling secondhand items among expats and/or English-speakers. Restrictions can be helpful and protective, but in this case they're just not gonna happen. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Besides, all the recent scams have been done by people in Korea. |
1. How on earth do you know this?
2. Are they still in Korea?
3. Do you see them returning here under the same identity?
You must have some superpowers the rest of us don't to boldly claim 100% of the scammers are still in Korea. People can have bank accounts in Korea while living abroad. People can get a debit/cash card to use at ATM machines all around the world. You could put money into my Korean bank account, and I could take it out in China.
You are naive my friend.
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| By banning certain groups of people could give a false sense of security to naive buyers and allow even more scammers to thrive. |
If I buy from a local store and it doesn't work, I go back and return it. If I visit a place as a tourist and leave, where do I go? Yes, I think you are right. There would be "even more scammers". However, I don't think it is in terms of quantity, but rather awareness.
If we know someone is scamming in Korea, we call them out, and we don't put money into the bank account. That person has to keep opening a new bank account then. It is much easier to do this outside of Korea and people just send money to an online account than the actual exposed bank account. If you want to send money to my paypal account, you just send it to an email address. You don't have my bank info. So, I could change my email address and start again without ever having to change my bank account. The bank doesn't get alerted, but they would if I constantly closed out the account and opened a new one.
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:48 am Post subject: |
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If you find it ironic then you aren't reading it correctly. I am not SELLING here. I might buy. I am not saying if you are selling in Korea I shouldn't buy while I am in China. I am saying I shouldn't be able to sell from China in the Korean board. I even said this in the initial post to show what I was thinking. You completely missed it.
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| aren't buying, selling, or trading anything (in Korea or otherwise) |
Yes, I am not selling, and that is the point (to not sell unless you are in Korea). As for buying, how do you know I am not buying anything? Do you have magical superpowers to see into my computer and know for certain I am not emailing or messaging other people to buy their stuff? A simple look into my past posts would show I am looking for a place to stay for a few days. I may get a work visa for China, and I need to go to Seoul to get this done. So, maybe, YES, maybe I will buy something and pay someone to rent their room. It's possible, and I don't see how this goes against what I was posting.
I suggest you read more carefully.
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| 3 your post is in the wrong forum |
If I want to post about buying and selling in Korea, where do I go to? Buying and selling in Tunisia? I assume you were trying to be funny and this was just rhetorical so you could feel better reaching 3 points (which are all based on misinformation). |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| the idea of what should and shouldn't be allowed is just plain silly |
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| the purpose of this forum is not to provide English teachers with a resource to help them live in Korea |
First you say it's silly, then you demonstrate it?
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How did I demonstrate it? I did not suggest that any changes to the rules and regulations of a free internet message board be made...I simply said that Dave has no motivation in making "rules" for its users to follow other than not being overly vulgar or condescending.
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Should I be allowed to sell swamp land in Florida to people in Korea while living in China?
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This may be one of the most ridiculous analogies I have ever heard for any argument in my life. But sure...one should be "allowed", allowed by whom I ask, to sell swamp land in Florida to people in Korea while living in China. If I own swamp land, whether it be in Florida, or any other locale that is prone to swampiness, and I find a buyer who is interested in purchasing said land, what difference should it make that I happen to be residing in China and he/she happens to be residing in Korea?
Might I ask...what are you doing in China when you've got this lovely acreage of swamp land to cultivate in Florida?
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I would rather as you put it, "provide English teachers with a resource to help them live in Korea" than provide scammers with a resource to help them live out of Korea. Either you get this or you don't.
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Ok...buy some bandwidth and start www.lifeinkoreaseslcafe.com. I would rather that coca-cola sold cans of coke for 50 cents, what is the point in your argument?
By the way...where are all of these sellers selling things from overseas? I use the buy/sell/trade forum quite a bit and I don't recall every seeing any posts made from overseas?[/quote] |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| one should be "allowed", allowed by whom I ask, to sell swamp land in Florida to people in Korea while living in China. |
Sounds like an unfinished idea. Before I bite your head off on this one, I want to see if you can make some sense out of it. You know my stance, so be ready. I am eyeing this part of the thread like a hawk. You ask by "whom", why does someone need to answer this?
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| Ok...buy some bandwidth and start www.lifeinkoreaseslcafe.com. I would rather that coca-cola sold cans of coke for 50 cents, what is the point in your argument? |
Why make the honest person buy bandwidth and not the scammer? This ties in with the top one. After you show me what you mean by "whom" I'll have more to say here. Your vagueness is taking the wind out of my sails. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Besides, all the recent scams have been done by people in Korea. |
1. How on earth do you know this?
2. Are they still in Korea?
3. Do you see them returning here under the same identity?
You must have some superpowers the rest of us don't to boldly claim 100% of the scammers are still in Korea. People can have bank accounts in Korea while living abroad. People can get a debit/cash card to use at ATM machines all around the world. You could put money into my Korean bank account, and I could take it out in China.
You are naive my friend.
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| By banning certain groups of people could give a false sense of security to naive buyers and allow even more scammers to thrive. |
If I buy from a local store and it doesn't work, I go back and return it. If I visit a place as a tourist and leave, where do I go? Yes, I think you are right. There would be "even more scammers". However, I don't think it is in terms of quantity, but rather awareness.
If we know someone is scamming in Korea, we call them out, and we don't put money into the bank account. That person has to keep opening a new bank account then. It is much easier to do this outside of Korea and people just send money to an online account than the actual exposed bank account. If you want to send money to my paypal account, you just send it to an email address. You don't have my bank info. So, I could change my email address and start again without ever having to change my bank account. The bank doesn't get alerted, but they would if I constantly closed out the account and opened a new one. |
Your username is lifeinkorea, yet you live in China and post on a B/S/T forum based out of California for teachers in Korea. I'm not only naive, I'm confused. Your logic simply boggles my mind!
What, exactly, are you worried about?  |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| Your username is lifeinkorea |
Correct, for the blind people out there, he is correct.
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| yet you live in China |
Yet, this is a spooky world. People teach in Korea and China, OMG. Say it isn't so!!!
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| and post on a B/S/T forum |
Yes, correct again, you must be looking out for a lot of blind people.
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| based out of California for teachers in Korea. |
Informative, yet, doesn't make a point
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| I'm not only naive, I'm confused. Your logic simply boggles my mind! |
I am sorry it boggles your mind. It boggles my mind this forum you say based out of California prohibits and screens valid users on here, but when it comes to trying to protect the users in Korea, we get your naive and confused rebuttals.
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| What, exactly, are you worried about? |
If you can't figure this one out, I am sorry friend, you lost the battle. No more wars to be fought. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
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| Your username is lifeinkorea |
Correct, for the blind people out there, he is correct.
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| yet you live in China |
Yet, this is a spooky world. People teach in Korea and China, OMG. Say it isn't so!!!
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| and post on a B/S/T forum |
Yes, correct again, you must be looking out for a lot of blind people.
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| based out of California for teachers in Korea. |
Informative, yet, doesn't make a point
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| I'm not only naive, I'm confused. Your logic simply boggles my mind! |
I am sorry it boggles your mind. It boggles my mind this forum you say based out of California prohibits and screens valid users on here, but when it comes to trying to protect the users in Korea, we get your naive and confused rebuttals.
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| What, exactly, are you worried about? |
If you can't figure this one out, I am sorry friend, you lost the battle. No more wars to be fought. |
Yes, yes...I concede to your superior reasoning and intellect...you, my friend, are truly golden balls. |
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