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runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject:

Summer Wine wrote:

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You get back to me when you figure out what you're trying to say and why.

By dropping innuendos and making statements relating his support to similar pedophile actions, you basically accused him of being a pedophile.

Unless, you are absolutely certain of your accusations if only meant jokingly, I would be massively hesitant of making similar statements.

It has been proven in courts of law that what is placed on an email or a chat forum can be used against someone.

You might be joking, but even so, thats not something I would want accused againt me, even if you are using innuendos.

Be very careful with those points.

Hahaha. Well, that was as absurd as I thought. Try reading again, this time.

runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 1:47 pm Post subject:

Enrico Palazzo wrote:

runthegauntlet wrote:

Bacasper continues to bump this because he has a massive persecution complex and loves to get on his little soapbox to defend the (in)glorious deeds of all the crack-pot 'missionaries' to further validate their (and his own?) subjection to their self-created delusions of fairy gods and devils.

At least that's what the constant bumping of this inane thread seems to suggest.

Everyone has an opinion, let's keep away from the ad-hominem attacks. Not everyone will be an of every poster whether it's you of Bacasper or him of you. Let's keep things of gentlemanly/womanly decorum, shall we?

Molto grazie mi amicci

Of course, Mod.

But the constant bumping of this thread points very vividly to the agenda that Bacasper is trying to push. That's merely what I'm trying to point out.

runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 1:52 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

runthegauntlet wrote:

I post on this thread because the story continues to develop. It is merely a coincidence that I was right and your paranoid sexual fantasy was wrong.

Yeah, your quote above speaks volumes about who's talking about what....

You are defending criminals, Bacasper. And your defense of them seems to lie completely in the fact that they are 'Christians'.

Is it any wonder that the judge is letting these criminals go? This is Haiti! How much aid does Haiti get? And ESPECIALLY in the wake of this crisis?

If Haiti goes through with the detention of these criminals, then it's a smack in the horse's mouth. All of the aid received from the federal government and various religious organizations throughout the U.S. is UNDOUBTEDLY skewing the judicial process.

Now, you may argue that they weren't actually 'kidnapping'. Whatever. Fine. Let's say they weren't intentionally stealing children. They still BROKE THE LAW by moving minors across a border in the forum country. Ergo, they are still criminals.

And that's basically it. Thanks, and you take care now.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

bacasper wrote:

The silence of those who were absolutely convinced of evil, twisted plans on the part of the missionaries at the beginning of this thread is deafening.

I've read the entire thread and I do not see ONE poster who was "absolutely convinced of evil, twisted plans on the part of the missionaries.."

I do see a lot of people saying let's go slow and make sure these kids will be safe.

Probably why the silence is deafening...nobody's said that.

I've read this entire thread and I do not see anyone who said "let's go slow and make sure these kids will be safe."

.

Ya-ta Boy said "Go a little slow to make sure as possible the kids are in fact getting a loving home".
In other words saying let's go slow and make sure the kids are safe.

So right off the bat you are wrong.

But let's go on

Captain Corea said " I would hope that all efforts are tried in contacting their family BEFORE adoption is considered."

Sounds like another vote for going slow and exercising caution.

Enrico Palazzo
Mod Team

Joined: 11 Mar 2008

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject:

runthegauntlet wrote:

Enrico Palazzo wrote:

runthegauntlet wrote:

Of course, Mod.

But the constant bumping of this thread points very vividly to the agenda that Bacasper is trying to push. That's merely what I'm trying to point out.

Lord, do I loathe playing the role of ref. I have seen this bumping of threads and posting lots of articles inside certain threads and also the ad-hominems. Either way is a whistle from the ref. Bascaper can you tone it down with the bumping of threads? It may be viewed as spamming by some users and we voted on that and agreed way back that users don't like that. Do we ignore the majority? Anyhow, you have a right to post and not feel harassed. People harassing users could face sanctions and if someone also is viewed as spamming could face warnings. I noticed that, and I didn't like it. Adding one article here and there intermittently to a thread is fine, but three? Come on.

Anyway, back to my paperwork....

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject:

In the first of the three articles I posted in February, 8 of 10 kidnapping charges had been dismissed. In the March article, a ninth, and in the April article the last of them was dismissed. I thought each was a significant development in the story.

runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

In the first of the three articles I posted in February, 8 of 10 kidnapping charges had been dismissed. In the March article, a ninth, and in the April article the last of them was dismissed. I thought each was a significant development in the story.

Ah, of course. Significant development.

From your four 'developmental' posts:

bacasper wrote:

Ooh, the judge let the evil, kidnapping, pedophile, child traffickers go! He must be one of them, too! Rolling Eyes

bacasper wrote:

One to go!

bacasper wrote:

The silence of those who were absolutely convinced of evil, twisted plans on the part of the missionaries at the beginning of this thread is deafening.

bacasper wrote:

A single charge left: "organization of irregular trips." Rolling Eyes

Woops.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject:

^ Not sure if you had a point, but thanks for the bump!

runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

^ Not sure if you had a point, but thanks for the bump! Laughing

*facepalm*

Because you've painted yet another beautiful example of 'Christianity'. Laughing

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:50 am Post subject:

runthegauntlet wrote:

bacasper wrote:

^ Not sure if you had a point, but thanks for the bump! Laughing

*facepalm*

Because you've painted yet another beautiful example of 'Christianity'. Laughing

Exactly where did I mention "Christianity"?

runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:16 am Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

runthegauntlet wrote:

bacasper wrote:

^ Not sure if you had a point, but thanks for the bump! Laughing

*facepalm*

Because you've painted yet another beautiful example of 'Christianity'. Laughing

Exactly where did I mention "Christianity"?

When you made the thread.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject:

runthegauntlet wrote:

bacasper wrote:

runthegauntlet wrote:

bacasper wrote:

^ Not sure if you had a point, but thanks for the bump! Laughing

*facepalm*

Because you've painted yet another beautiful example of 'Christianity'. Laughing

Exactly where did I mention "Christianity"?

When you made the thread.

Really? Let's see. Here is my OP:

Quote:

Try to help some orphans devastated by an earthquake, and this is the thanks you get Exclamation

Americans arrested taking children out of Haiti

By Joseph Guyler Delva Joseph Guyler Delva � Sat Jan 30, 5:22 pm ET

PORT-AU-PRINCE (Reuters) � Haitian police have arrested 10 U.S. citizens caught trying to take 33 children out of the earthquake-stricken country in a suspected illicit adoption scheme, authorities said on Saturday.

The five men and five women were in custody in the capital, Port-au-Prince after their arrests on Friday night. There are fears that traffickers could try to exploit the chaos and turmoil following Haiti's January 12 earthquake quake to engage in illegal adoptions.

One of the suspects, who says she is leader of an Idaho-based charity called New Life Children's Refuge, denied they had done anything wrong.

The suspects were detained at Malpasse, Haiti's main border crossing with the Dominican Republic, after Haitian police conducted a routine search of their vehicle.

Authorities said the Americans had no documents to prove they had cleared the adoption of the 33 children -- aged 2 months to 12 years -- through any embassy and no papers showing they were made orphans by the quake in the impoverished Caribbean country.

"This is totally illegal," said Yves Cristalin, Haiti's social affairs minister. "No children can leave Haiti without proper authorization and these people did not have that authorization."

U.S. authorities could not be reached for immediate comment on the arrests.

But Laura Sillsby from the Idaho group told Reuters from a jail cell at Haiti's Judicial Police headquarters, "We had permission from the Dominican Republic government to bring the children to an orphanage that we have there."

"We have a Baptist minister here (in Port-au-Prince) whose orphanage totally collapsed and he asked us to take the children to the orphanage in the Dominican Republic," Sillsby added.

"I was going to come back here to do the paperwork," Sillsby said. "They accuse us of children trafficking. This is something I would never do. We were not trying to do something wrong."

In addition to outright trafficking in children, authorities have voiced fears since the quake that legitimate aid groups may have flown earthquake orphans out of the country for adoption before efforts to find their parents had been exhausted.

As a result, the Haitian government halted many types of adoptions earlier this month.

There are no reliable estimates of the number of parentless and lost children at risk in Haiti's quake-shattered capital.

The word "Christianity," "Christian," "Christ," or even the letters "Chr" appear there. Hallucinating?

runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

runthegauntlet wrote:

bacasper wrote:

runthegauntlet wrote:

bacasper wrote:

^ Not sure if you had a point, but thanks for the bump! Laughing

*facepalm*

Because you've painted yet another beautiful example of 'Christianity'. Laughing

Exactly where did I mention "Christianity"?

When you made the thread.

Really? Let's see. Here is my OP:

Quote:

Try to help some orphans devastated by an earthquake, and this is the thanks you get Exclamation

The word "Christianity," "Christian," "Christ," or even the letters "Chr" appear there. Hallucinating?

You're right. A 'baptist' is just another word for a Muslim. Rolling Eyes

And then there are the subsequent posts:

bacasper wrote:

the arrests of the 10 U.S. Baptists

From one of the articles:

Quote:

"God is our provider and God gives us strength and comfort," said Carla Thompson, one group member. "We have our Bibles and we are OK."

Oh well. Try again.

These international criminals need someone pleading their case.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 11:02 am Post subject:

runthegauntlet wrote:

You're right. A 'baptist' is just another word for a Muslim. Rolling Eyes

And then there are the subsequent posts:

bacasper wrote:

the arrests of the 10 U.S. Baptists

From one of the articles:

Quote:

"God is our provider and God gives us strength and comfort," said Carla Thompson, one group member. "We have our Bibles and we are OK."

Oh well. Try again.

These international criminals need someone pleading their case.

OK, I see now: because the word "Baptist" appeared in an article I posted, that means that I am defending criminals because they are Christians??? Leap logic much?

In the first place, these people are NOT criminals, no matter how badly you want them to be. Charges have been dropped. No crime. Not criminals.

Quote:

Is it any wonder that the judge is letting these criminals go? This is Haiti! How much aid does Haiti get? And ESPECIALLY in the wake of this crisis?

If Haiti goes through with the detention of these criminals, then it's a smack in the horse's mouth. All of the aid received from the federal government and various religious organizations throughout the U.S. is UNDOUBTEDLY skewing the judicial process.

Just where do you get this stuff from? Thousands of Americans are arrested and convicted of crimes every year in countries that receive US aid. As if any American can go to any such country and go on a crime spree with impunity! Rolling Eyes

Quote:

But the constant bumping of this thread points very vividly to the agenda that Bacasper is trying to push.

Apparently, it is only vivid in your imagination. What agenda am I trying to push exactly?

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

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In the first place, these people are NOT criminals, no matter how badly you want them to be. Charges have been dropped. No crime. Not criminals.

[

Simply because charges have been dropped do not mean people are innocent. Charges are dropped all the time due to lack of evidence, or poor paperwork on the part of the police, skillful lawyers...

Someone could be guilty as sin and still have all charges dropped in a specific crime. Getting back to these specific people they may or may not be guilty. But the dropping of charges proves absolutely nothing about guilt or innocence.

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