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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| I'm scared that some day one or two guys will go all Mumbai on NYC - walking around with machine guns and such. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I feel sorry for them, as I am sure they are being hounded by the press, and if they stay in the US, they will need to move and change their identity.
This guy should get a public execution. Seriously, that would be about what it takes to deter these morons from trying to do terrorism. Also, why the hell is everyone hell bent on destroying NYC? I am guessing Washington has too many cops and security...well guess what? NYC seems to be getting there too. |
1. The wife is back in Pakistan. They all went back there awhile ago. He came back, she stayed. She's also an American-educated CPA. Where the hell did things go wrong with them? I wonder if she knew this was going on.
2. Yeah, all the "sexy" targets in DC are gov't related and highly guarded. Of course some of those security guards aren't the most competent people in the world, but I guess their presence is enough deterrence for these genius terrorists... |
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Depths of My Soul
Joined: 04 Apr 2010
Location: In The Sun
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Bit obvious isn't it? Disappearing to Pakistan for 5 months and then coming back with a big beard.
I'm surprised he got back in the Country. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| I'm scared that some day one or two guys will go all Mumbai on NYC - walking around with machine guns and such. |
This is the fear that terrorism creates. To be fair we have been dealing with it in the UK for years with the IRA. Im living just down the road from a shopping centre they blew up. You just get used to it and get on with it! |
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Depths of My Soul
Joined: 04 Apr 2010
Location: In The Sun
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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This is the fear that terrorism creates. To be fair we have been dealing with it in the UK for years with the IRA. Im living just down the road from a shopping centre they blew up. You just get used to it and get on with it! |
Yeah. In the grand scheme of things it's just BS scaremongering.
Statistically speaking you're still more likely to die from a wasp sting or lightning strike than an act of terrorism.
If the road death figures got the same kind of media hype then few people would feel safe leaving the house. LOL.
Ps - Are you talking about Warrington or Manchester? |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Depths of My Soul wrote: |
| rusty1983 wrote: |
This is the fear that terrorism creates. To be fair we have been dealing with it in the UK for years with the IRA. Im living just down the road from a shopping centre they blew up. You just get used to it and get on with it! |
Yeah. In the grand scheme of things it's just BS scaremongering.
Statistically speaking you're still more likely to die from a wasp sting or lightning strike than an act of terrorism.
If the road death figures got the same kind of media hype then few people would feel safe leaving the house. LOL.
Ps - Are you talking about Warrington or Manchester? |
The Arndale in Manchester. No one died in that though.
Like with the London 07/07 bombs Im sure it must have been extremely paranoid but then everyone just settled down and got on with it. What else can you do? |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| A federal official said that domestic security officials had been informed that the event did not appear to be a terrorist threat. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02timessquare.html?hp
I guess they didn't "attach a motive" to the smoking propane, explosive powder and a timing device, which appears, by the way, to NOT be a terrorist threat. Thank Alla. They could have asked Kimbop; I knew on May 1st that the perp was a brown muslim. But the rest of you didn't find out for sure until yesterday. Mayor Bloomberg tried to have us believe otherwise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZc1EcYN5N4
Yes, his "motive remains a mystery". Thank alla the msm is here to tell me these things.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTU3Yzk4NDBiYmJhODRjY2Y0NTU0ZjhmZWZkNmEwYmI=
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� Law enforcement (as reported by NY1): �Investigators say they still have no motive for Shahzad�s actions.� (May 5, 2010)
� Kifyat Ali, a relative of Shahzad�s: �We are shocked. He had no connection with any political party or jihadi group.� (May 5, 2010)
� Associated Press headline: �NY car bomb suspect cooperates, but motive mystery.� (May 5, 2010)
� Associated Press story: �Federal officials aren�t talking about a motive in the arrest of a naturalized U.S. citizen charged with attempting to set off a bomb in New York�s Times Square.� (May 5, 2010)
� New York Post �exclusive�: Shahzad �said he was driven to evil by the slew of deaths among leaders of the terror group, law-enforcement sources revealed yesterday. Sources said he was an eyewitness to the onslaught throughout the eight months he spent in Pakistan beginning last summer.� (May 5, 2010)
� USA Today headline: �Motive of NYC car bomb suspect remains a mystery.� (May 5, 2010)
� The Guardian headline: �Times Square bomb: Pakistanis puzzled by bomber�s motives.� (May 5, 2010) |
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beck's
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: |
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All of the excuses for the Times Square bomber and others of his stripe (panty bomber, Hassan etc) are way beyond parody. It is amusing to read and listen to the lengths that the media go to to avoid calling the bomber what he is. I even read somewhere that he was motivated to murder because he couldn't afford his house!
The TS bomber is an Islamic terrorist pure and simple. He was motivated by his religion and by the violent jihadist ideas contained in the Koran. There is a world war going on now. It is between secular western civilization and Muslim ideology. This war is everywhere you care to look. From Bali to New York and all points in between. The sooner we recognize this the sooner we can start defending ourselves. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:20 am Post subject: |
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All of the excuses for the Times Square bomber and others of his stripe (panty bomber, Hassan etc) are way beyond parody. It is amusing to read and listen to the lengths that the media go to to avoid calling the bomber what he is. I even read somewhere that he was motivated to murder because he couldn't afford his house!
The TS bomber is an Islamic terrorist pure and simple. He was motivated by his religion and by the violent jihadist ideas contained in the Koran. There is a world war going on now. It is between secular western civilization and Muslim ideology. This war is everywhere you care to look. From Bali to New York and all points in between. The sooner we recognize this the sooner we can start defending ourselves. |
Yes, we are failing to defend ourselves because the MSM doesn't call him an Islamic fundamentalist? And I don't know what you're reading, but I've read plenty of news stories about his "conversion" to becoming a religious fanatic.
A world war. Dude please. The number of people killed by terrorists is dwarfed by any actual conventional war out there. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
This guy should get a public execution. Seriously, that would be about what it takes to deter these morons from trying to do terrorism. Also, why the hell is everyone hell bent on destroying NYC? I am guessing Washington has too many cops and security...well guess what? NYC seems to be getting there too. |
I doubt that public executions will do anything to deter terrorists.
However public executions would change the US into a government more sinister... like North Korea/Saudi Arabia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAQE7kDwPZY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_death_penalty_worldwide |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| This guy should get a public execution. Seriously, that would be about what it takes to deter these morons from trying to do terrorism. |
If executing people for crimes acted as an effective deterrant, we'd see far fewer murders in Texas and far more murders in Wisconsin. We don't, though. The death sentence is not an effective deterrant. In fact, publically executing this guy is exactly the kind of display of barbarity that would probably serve to help embolden terrorists further. No one commits acts of terrorism because, "Hey, if they catch me I'll only be locked away in prison." Some people, however, may well say, "If they're going to publically execute us like vermin, we're going to fight back any way we can."
A calm, temperate response is by far the more rational and effective approach.
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| Also, why the hell is everyone hell bent on destroying NYC? I am guessing Washington has too many cops and security...well guess what? NYC seems to be getting there too. |
The point of terrorism is to create fear. Attacks on a highly populated, world-famous area like NYC are a good choice with such motives in mind. |
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thecount
Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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But public executions sure as hell cost a lot less than life in prison. And that's with the outrageously ridiculous price they cost (death penalty trials take 3-5 times longer than non-death-penalty murder trials, more pre-trail motions are filed, twice as many attorneys, etc, juries are sequestered more often...costs a TON).
I think that the best method of dealing with crime is to change the culture...but GFL with that : ( |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:31 am Post subject: |
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But public executions sure as hell cost a lot less than life in prison. And that's with the outrageously ridiculous price they cost (death penalty trials take 3-5 times longer than non-death-penalty murder trials, more pre-trail motions are filed, twice as many attorneys, etc, juries are sequestered more often...costs a TON).
I think that the best method of dealing with crime is to change the culture...but GFL with that : ( |
There is something to be said for the way they do it in China.
Once socialism fails and people realize that the State should not be spending millions on trials, wait and see a reduction of rights.
I know a lot of people on this site are anti-death penalty. I am very much PRO death penalty. One of the reasons is as stated: the amount of money for trials and incarceration is ludicrous. When you know beyond a reasonable doubt someone is guilty, they should be hung or shot. Hanging is cheaper as you can re-use the rope on multiple offenders. There is also something to be said for the guillotine. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| thecount wrote: |
But public executions sure as hell cost a lot less than life in prison. And that's with the outrageously ridiculous price they cost (death penalty trials take 3-5 times longer than non-death-penalty murder trials, more pre-trail motions are filed, twice as many attorneys, etc, juries are sequestered more often...costs a TON).
I think that the best method of dealing with crime is to change the culture...but GFL with that : ( |
There is something to be said for the way they do it in China. |
There is something to be said for the way they do civil liberties in China: disgraceful. The state can detain you for up to a year while the police gather evidence or clear your case. I'd love to see Mr. Pink justify this custom based on cost-efficacy. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| thecount wrote: |
But public executions sure as hell cost a lot less than life in prison. And that's with the outrageously ridiculous price they cost (death penalty trials take 3-5 times longer than non-death-penalty murder trials, more pre-trail motions are filed, twice as many attorneys, etc, juries are sequestered more often...costs a TON).
I think that the best method of dealing with crime is to change the culture...but GFL with that : ( |
There is something to be said for the way they do it in China.
Once socialism fails and people realize that the State should not be spending millions on trials, wait and see a reduction of rights.
I know a lot of people on this site are anti-death penalty. I am very much PRO death penalty. One of the reasons is as stated: the amount of money for trials and incarceration is ludicrous. When you know beyond a reasonable doubt someone is guilty, they should be hung or shot. Hanging is cheaper as you can re-use the rope on multiple offenders. There is also something to be said for the guillotine. |
Im not 100% about this (Ill have a look if you want, bit hungover though cant be bothered) but I'm sure it costs far more to execute someone than it does to imprison them for life. Unless you bring back the gallows and just chuck whoever you think is guilty off them then it is an expensive and long-winded process to put someone to death.
Also, as has been stated, for extreme Islamic Fundamentalists the death penalty holds no fear. They are trained to die for the cause, and if they become a martyr, the promise of 70 virgins awaits them in paradise. They believe this entirely. The strange thing about this case to me is that the guy didnt sit in the car til the end to see it through. |
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