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hwa jang shil



Joined: 20 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:11 pm    Post subject: Why the waygook bubble? Reply with quote

Not a moan, but a genuine query. I love Korea.

Why are some of the older Koreans so reluctant to sit next to a foreigner on buses, subway?

Just rode the subway for 3 stops, I sat in the middle of the row, 1st stop 2 old blokes got on and sat either side of me leaving a free seat between us, fair enough there was space, next stop 50 something woman got on looked at the seats either side of me and then chose to stand by the door, I got off at the next stop and she rushed for my vacated seat.

I'm not obese, I shower everyday, I don't look like a kiddy fiddler and I don't sit as if I've balls the size of grapefruits with my legs wide open.

Please, does anyone know why this happens every so often? I can understand the stares a little bit as westerners are different looking (though here in Seoul I'd be surprised if there's anyone who hasn't seen one yet) but why the bubble?? Do we have a reputation for spontaneously combusting?
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take it as a blessing. You wouldn't want such a small-minded person sitting next to you, would you?

Also, you can be a bit more comfortable.
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n�fara



Joined: 14 Jul 2007
Location: The Island

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Why the waygook bubble? Reply with quote

hwa jang shil wrote:

Please, does anyone know why this happens every so often? I can understand the stares a little bit as westerners are different looking (though here in Seoul I'd be surprised if there's anyone who hasn't seen one yet) but why the bubble?? Do we have a reputation for spontaneously combusting?


No, but it's possible that they might be worried about having to talk to you if they sit beside you. If somene doesn't like / is not comfortable with English, it would make sense to not sit beside you in some weird avoidance way.

Also, if it's happening consistently during one train ride, they might be wondering why no one else is sitting next to you and don't want to take a chance.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never once seen a Korean person neglect an empty seat on any form of public transport. Usually, I need to protect my ribcage from advancing ajumma elbows as they charge head-down toward the seat.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Why the waygook bubble? Reply with quote

n�fara wrote:
hwa jang shil wrote:

Please, does anyone know why this happens every so often? I can understand the stares a little bit as westerners are different looking (though here in Seoul I'd be surprised if there's anyone who hasn't seen one yet) but why the bubble?? Do we have a reputation for spontaneously combusting?


No, but it's possible that they might be worried about having to talk to you if they sit beside you. If somene doesn't like / is not comfortable with English, it would make sense to not sit beside you in some weird avoidance way.

Also, if it's happening consistently during one train ride, they might be wondering why no one else is sitting next to you and don't want to take a chance.


+1

No, +200 and make it for the record, therein prohibiting this same complaint from ever being posted again as it is each month
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teretere



Joined: 26 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're nuts and delusional.
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balzor



Joined: 14 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Why the waygook bubble? Reply with quote

hwa jang shil wrote:
Not a moan, but a genuine query. I love Korea.

Why are some of the older Koreans so reluctant to sit next to a foreigner on buses, subway?

Just rode the subway for 3 stops, I sat in the middle of the row, 1st stop 2 old blokes got on and sat either side of me leaving a free seat between us, fair enough there was space, next stop 50 something woman got on looked at the seats either side of me and then chose to stand by the door, I got off at the next stop and she rushed for my vacated seat.

I'm not obese, I shower everyday, I don't look like a kiddy fiddler and I don't sit as if I've balls the size of grapefruits with my legs wide open.

Please, does anyone know why this happens every so often? I can understand the stares a little bit as westerners are different looking (though here in Seoul I'd be surprised if there's anyone who hasn't seen one yet) but why the bubble?? Do we have a reputation for spontaneously combusting?
I don't mind it anyway since older people often have a smell to them. Not being mean, it's just a fact
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UknowsI



Joined: 16 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Why the waygook bubble? Reply with quote

n�fara wrote:

No, but it's possible that they might be worried about having to talk to you if they sit beside you. If somene doesn't like / is not comfortable with English, it would make sense to not sit beside you in some weird avoidance way.

I think agree with this. People who sit down next to me is usually way above the average at speaking English. It has almost gotten so far that I assume someone can speak English if they sit down next to me, and I assume they can't speak English if I sit down next to them. Maybe a bit less when it comes to public transportation, but at least in other situations, this is usually true.
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tefain



Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there's only one space, maybe they just don't like being cramped. On the subway I've noticed many times people will stand rather than sit next to me, but also if there's only one space in the seats across from me they won't bother trying to squeeze in.

On a side note, I have to nominate you for metaphor of the month for the grapefruit analogy. Laughing
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since Koreans don't speak to other Koreans on the subway, why would they assume they need to talk to you and in English if they sit beside you?

When I ride the bus, the seat next to me is always the last taken. Since they're either going to be texting, watching TV or sleeping I don't think it's because they're afraid they might have to converse in English.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was once hit by an ajumma's purse when she threw it onto the seat next to me to ensure that nobody else got it!

Sometimes, I start coughing and sniffling just so people WON'T sit next to me. I always give up my seat for old people (not wearing heels) though.
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Css



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you know she was avoiding you? Maybe she didnt wanna see next to those massive grapefruit ball having ajosshis on the other side of the gap.. Laughing
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sulperman



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get a seat? You lucky bastard! I would kill for a seat! Alas, my busy area and commuting time makes a seat a fantastic dream, something that would never never ever happen.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep an eye on how other Koreans behave during non-rush hour travel on subways. I sometimes prefer to stand because my stop is not too far off so I stand. I've seen many people standing while there are a couple of extra seats available on subways and I never thought that the Korean person next to the empty seat was extraordinary in anyway. Sometimes it is just the coincidence of people prefering to stand when there is a seat available next to you--nearby stop, more comfortable standing, etc. Of course, you might be a strong eye contact kind of person, making eye contact with many people, which makes some Koreans uncomfortable because expectations are built into that behavior--strong eye contact in public with strangers is definitely not part of this culture.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
I have never once seen a Korean person neglect an empty seat on any form of public transport. Usually, I need to protect my ribcage from advancing ajumma elbows as they charge head-down toward the seat.


One of the funniest jokes I've ever heard was about ajummas on subways. It ran in one of the first expat magazines published in Korea, "The Seoul Underground," back in the 1990s. There was a photo of a male expat about to board a crowded train, and the caption read, "Ajumma, off tackle, on three. BREAK!"

I couldn't stop laughing when I read that.
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