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bucheon bum
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| Man I am sick of people talking about Bush screwing America with the Iraq war. When we went to war 70% of America was for it. |
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| If Bush DIDN'T send us to war, would you be talking on here how you can't believe 10 years ago thousands of our citizens were murdered and nothing was done about it? It's funny how when you AREN'T the president 3,4, 5 or more years down the road you can change your mind about it. |
1. No, I wouldn't be talking about it since we did attack Afghanistan and rounded up a bunch of people including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermined behind 9-11. None of that involved Iraq.
2. I didn't change my mind about it. I thought it was an idiotic move to invade Iraq from the very first mention of it. I have been posting here since before the invasion, so you're welcome to do a search of my previous posts (although I have a hunch current event threads from 2003 have been deleted).
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| Guess that's why no one on here is or ever will be president, and a bunch of nobodies. The internet is full of Monday morning quarterbacks. And yes, I am included in the bunch of nobodies I just mentioned. |
That and the fact we don't have famous parents that were President before us. And yes, sadly I'm not as eloquent as our present President nor nearly as telegenic. And yes, I really don't have the stomach for working in politics. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| dgove wrote: |
| Man I am sick of people talking about Bush screwing America with the Iraq war. |
Really? I'm a bit sick of people trying to white wash the Bush legacy myself.
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| When we went to war 70% of America was for it. |
So what? That just means the deceptions of the Bush administration unfortunately managed to convince those people that a disasterous war which would screw our country was a good idea.
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| If Bush DIDN'T send us to war, would you be talking on here how you can't believe 10 years ago thousands of our citizens were murdered and nothing was done about it? |
No, I assure you, I wouldn't. Anyone who reads my posts here can see what I think about military action in general. There's precisely one nation in the world I would support military intervention against, and it's not in the Middle East.
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| It's funny how when you AREN'T the president 3,4, 5 or more years down the road you can change your mind about it. |
Except my mind never changed. Did some people's? Sure. Does that change the fact that this war was a total disaster? No. Presidents are elected to guide the country well, and Bush didn't.
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| Guess that's why no one on here is or ever will be president, and a bunch of nobodies. |
George W. Bush was in a position to become President because of his family connections, nothing more. He didn't have some sort of special quality that ennobled him above the rest of us. I think most people of reasonable intellect grasp this.
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| The internet is full of Monday morning quarterbacks. |
It's not Monday morning quarterbacking when we didn't support the war from day one, and it's never Monday morning quarterbacking to speak out against the perpetual murder of innocents. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| dgove wrote: |
| Man I am sick of people talking about Bush screwing America with the Iraq war. When we went to war 70% of America was for it. If Bush DIDN'T send us to war, would you be talking on here how you can't believe 10 years ago thousands of our citizens were murdered and nothing was done about it? |
So because thousands of Americans murdered ten years ago, the appropriate response was to invade Iraq? What is the connection? |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| dgove wrote: |
| Man I am sick of people talking about Bush screwing America with the Iraq war. When we went to war 70% of America was for it. |
So what? That just means the deceptions of the Bush administration unfortunately managed to convince those people that a disasterous war which would screw our country was a good idea. |
Exactly. The Bush administration manufactured a war of necessity from a war of choice. I supported the war because I thought it was reasonably necessary, and I had trust in my gov't. As those two conditions slipped away, so did gradually my support for the war. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| dgove wrote: |
| Man I am sick of people talking about Bush screwing America with the Iraq war. When we went to war 70% of America was for it. |
So what? That just means the deceptions of the Bush administration unfortunately managed to convince those people that a disasterous war which would screw our country was a good idea. |
Exactly. The Bush administration manufactured a war of necessity from a war of choice. I supported the war because I thought it was reasonably necessary, and I had trust in my gov't. As those two conditions slipped away, so did gradually my support for the war. |
Seems like it was Bush's economic strategy based on past performance where World War 2 brought America out of the Great Depression and into a golden era. This old strategy didn't work in the early 21st century. I can't say why, but it seems these wars are unjustified and few believe in them, including myself, unlike in the 1940's where it made sense for everyone to pool their resources together to fight a war which unified, "We the People." This set the stage for an economic boom in a country working for the better good of each other and their communities. Times have changed drastically since then and you'll have to go to Asia to get a taste of what it was like when your grandpa was a young man or about our age now. Easy to get a job and promotion with more than enough opportunities to choose from. Pretty cool insights to visit developing countries with emerging markets with ambition to achieve what America did decades ago. It's all an old copy catted idea of an oil based concept America innovated minus our electronic computers and cell phones.
Sure some of our past wars brought us trade advantages and high status, but this is no longer the case. It's time to produce something more valuable than bombs dropping on the Muslim world to represent democracy coming to a country near you. It appears the majority of Islamic people's consider America to be at war against Islam which spells many big troubles to come. Send the troops home. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| dgove wrote: |
| Man I am sick of people talking about Bush screwing America with the Iraq war. When we went to war 70% of America was for it. |
So what? That just means the deceptions of the Bush administration unfortunately managed to convince those people that a disasterous war which would screw our country was a good idea. |
Exactly. The Bush administration manufactured a war of necessity from a war of choice. I supported the war because I thought it was reasonably necessary, and I had trust in my gov't. As those two conditions slipped away, so did gradually my support for the war. |
When you had this "trust in your government," what were you thinking? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| dgove wrote: |
| Man I am sick of people talking about Bush screwing America with the Iraq war. When we went to war 70% of America was for it. |
So what? That just means the deceptions of the Bush administration unfortunately managed to convince those people that a disasterous war which would screw our country was a good idea. |
Exactly. The Bush administration manufactured a war of necessity from a war of choice. I supported the war because I thought it was reasonably necessary, and I had trust in my gov't. As those two conditions slipped away, so did gradually my support for the war. |
When you had this "trust in your government," what were you thinking? |
Especially in the case of war. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| dgove wrote: |
| Man I am sick of people talking about Bush screwing America with the Iraq war. When we went to war 70% of America was for it. |
So what? That just means the deceptions of the Bush administration unfortunately managed to convince those people that a disasterous war which would screw our country was a good idea. |
Exactly. The Bush administration manufactured a war of necessity from a war of choice. I supported the war because I thought it was reasonably necessary, and I had trust in my gov't. As those two conditions slipped away, so did gradually my support for the war. |
When you had this "trust in your government," what were you thinking? |
Especially in the case of war. |
You guys are Exhibit A for good reasons why people don't admit they were wrong on the internet. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| dgove wrote: |
| Man I am sick of people talking about Bush screwing America with the Iraq war. When we went to war 70% of America was for it. |
So what? That just means the deceptions of the Bush administration unfortunately managed to convince those people that a disasterous war which would screw our country was a good idea. |
Exactly. The Bush administration manufactured a war of necessity from a war of choice. I supported the war because I thought it was reasonably necessary, and I had trust in my gov't. As those two conditions slipped away, so did gradually my support for the war. |
When you had this "trust in your government," what were you thinking? |
Especially in the case of war. |
You guys are Exhibit A for good reasons why people don't admit they were wrong on the internet. |
Really? We're just puzzled. Well I was at least, I can't speak for bacasper. I think Exhibit A would be more like, "Oh come on you dumb ass, you trusted the gov't?? GET A CLUE!" IOW more like visitorq, or saying something we wouldn't likely say to your face. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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In fairness to Happy Warrior...
As someone who was anti-war from the beginning, I will admit that I probably could not have fashioned a scientifically valid argument about why the government's claims were wrong. (At least about WMD; their claims about 9-11/Saddam were pretty laughable to anyone who wasn't "ready to believe".)
I based my position essentially on two things:
-commentators I respected thought the claims about WMD were bogus, and...
-in any case, I didn't really care whether Saddam had these weapons or not. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Really? We're just puzzled. Well I was at least, I can't speak for bacasper. I think Exhibit A would be more like, "Oh come on you dumb ass, you trusted the gov't?? GET A CLUE!" IOW more like visitorq, or saying something we wouldn't likely say to your face. |
When have I ever used the term 'dumb ass'? Or anything like it? The answer is never. Though anything I have to say on here, I'd say to your face without hesitation. I'm usually quite polite. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Really? We're just puzzled. Well I was at least, I can't speak for bacasper. I think Exhibit A would be more like, "Oh come on you dumb ass, you trusted the gov't?? GET A CLUE!" IOW more like visitorq, or saying something we wouldn't likely say to your face. |
When have I ever used the term 'dumb ass'? Or anything like it? The answer is never. Though anything I have to say on here, I'd say to your face without hesitation. I'm usually quite polite. |
True, I was exaggerating a bit. And you don't use caps. But would you disagree with the rest of it? |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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In fairness to Happy Warrior...
As someone who was anti-war from the beginning, I will admit that I probably could not have fashioned a scientifically valid argument about why the government's claims were wrong. (At least about WMD; their claims about 9-11/Saddam were pretty laughable to anyone who wasn't "ready to believe".)
I based my position essentially on two things:
-commentators I respected thought the claims about WMD were bogus, and...
-in any case, I didn't really care whether Saddam had these weapons or not. |
Yeah, and I honestly don't really care to get into it. The point was that many accepted Bush's WMD claims, and based their support on the war on it. Since the 'evidence' for WMD was manufactured, its not exactly exculpatory for the Bush administration that many people supported the war at the time. |
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