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Have you noticed that Koreans operate on their own time?
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carolleim



Joined: 10 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: Have you noticed that Koreans operate on their own time? Reply with quote

So, I've been searching for a summer position in Korea. It's been an experience. I was trying to get things done ahead of time so I can book my flight, plan my trip, let my back-up position know I can't come this summer ... but it's really hard to get these recruiter to respond quickly. When they finally do respond, they want an answer immediately.

In addition, I have been watching the job board for a long time and I am amazed at positions that start ASAP. For a pretty drastic career change and international move, this seems rather hurried, but that seems to be the norm.

Is this a cultural thing? It seems that everyone wants things from you, it has to be done not in a week, or a month, but yesterday. My friends thought it would be impossible for me to find a summer job because I started looking in April - they thought it was too late to find a job. It seems like its the opposite! I may not find a job until June at this rate.

Am I right in this? Has anyone else observed this behavior?
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Steve_Rogers2008



Joined: 22 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya know there are people in-country who can take the jobs quickly... and with the mess of the economy, I'd guess there are more than a few people more than willing to fly off to a different part of the world.

Just sayin' Cool
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile It's good that you are learning this before you come here. Yes, Koreans tend to do everything last-minute. As a result, everyone seems busy. It's just a cultural thing, I guess.
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jizza



Joined: 24 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its cultural. everything here moves fast. i've had favorite restaurants go down and get replaced in 10 days with a completely new restaurant.

girls here move fast. meet you, call you, date you, forget about you, all in the course of 2 weeks.

every korean employer that has hired me has always done it on the spot after the first interview.

people here eat fast too. they're ushered out of the restaurant to make room for other customers. my bosses eat lunch in 20minutes and are out the door and back to work

the advantage to this is speed and tremendous flexibility.
the downside is that people do things without taking the time to really think things through sometime, always jumping on the latest trend
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carolleim



Joined: 10 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your replies. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't being overly sensitive.

Jizza, sounds like you've been burned by the ladies, although it sounds surprising. I always thought Korean women were pretty conservative regarding relationships.
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GreenlightmeansGO



Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor planning often leads to advertising a position that requires about a month of prep about 2 weeks before the start date.
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GreenlightmeansGO



Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carolleim wrote:
Thanks for your replies. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't being overly sensitive.

Jizza, sounds like you've been burned by the ladies, although it sounds surprising. I always thought Korean women were pretty conservative regarding relationships.


In my experience of Korean women, many play games and act weird in the beginning, never letting you know what the hell is going on. If you can get past the first month or so it levels out. Just because they change their minds so quickly or don't get committed easily doesn't mean they aren't conservative. However, I do agree that they are more conservative than women from my own country and other expats in Korea (mostly).
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air76



Joined: 13 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans are notoriously bad planners and simply some of the most inefficient workers in the world, economic growth here is built on working LONG hours and not on working hard and/or efficiently....I agree with the poster who said that they do things at the last minute hear to "appear" busy.

You also have to remember that most recruiters are either idiots, semi-scam artists, or just plain bad at their job.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done OP. It takes some people years to figure out what you've already sussed before even getting here.
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jizza



Joined: 24 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carolleim wrote:
Thanks for your replies. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't being overly sensitive.

Jizza, sounds like you've been burned by the ladies, although it sounds surprising. I always thought Korean women were pretty conservative regarding relationships.


No I haven't been "burned", I've just noticed that people move fast. If you meet a girl, and she's interested, she won't waste any time. There's millions of other guys out there and if you don't make a move quickly she'll just assume ur not interested and move on.

It's the same with a lot of things here. Businesses go up and down really quickly. People are hired for jobs after the first interview. People eat lunch in 20 minutes. It's just a hurry hurry culture. My guess is that Koreans feel liek they need to catch up with the rest of the world. Plus its a kind of NYC big city stressful rush mentality where no one wants to waste time
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the same topic, your Korean work mates will do their lesson planning, auxiliary materials and class prep last minute. If YOU do them the week before or at home before coming to school and you just walk into the teachers room and make a few photocopies you're co-workers will eventually point out to you how they have to spend hours prepping for their classes and you have it easy because you can just walk in, teach class and walk out, rest of your time is idling about.
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carolleim



Joined: 10 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought I was just a procrastinator for the sake of being one ... maybe it's genetic!
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troglodyte wrote:
On the same topic, your Korean work mates will do their lesson planning, auxiliary materials and class prep last minute. If YOU do them the week before or at home before coming to school and you just walk into the teachers room and make a few photocopies you're co-workers will eventually point out to you how they have to spend hours prepping for their classes and you have it easy because you can just walk in, teach class and walk out, rest of your time is idling about.


not to mention they all share materials, have them ready to dish out at a moments notice- BUT as a foreign teacher YOU have to MAKE NEW STUFF Rolling Eyes
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pikachun1



Joined: 09 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i didn't really see the case with koreans. i think it just depends on the person. not all koreans are last-minuteish.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jizza wrote:
Plus its a kind of NYC big city stressful rush mentality where no one wants to waste time


Sure, there's the rush mentality, but we're efficient, whereas most of the people I see rushing about here are doing things last minute, or doing it because looking busy makes them seem important.

In NYC, if you're running around, it's because we have a lot to do. Here, things that should have been done last week aren't done yet.

Sorry... I'm venting. I'm being renewed and my paperwork is late because someone at the EDU office is sick, last week was a holiday, and the week before they had an orientation, so nobody was in. Heaven forbid there be a second person who could handle this stuff.
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