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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
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| Unless you're on an F visa, it's always illegal to teach privates (I'm not 100% certain, but from what I've read, it is). |
Within the directions of an E-2 visa, you can work from your hakwon and teach one-on-one lessons (basically, private classes) for your contracted rate.
You can't, however, do it from a different location. |
That's fantastic, and I'm glad you can do that, but there are still loads of kids in need of private tutoring. Private tutoring does far more than hagwons or PS when it comes to truly learning.
Nobody's taking money out of your pocket. There will always be far too many students for you to teach. Reporting a fellow ESL teacher for this is just plain nasty. |
And this is just plain dishonest. You aren't doing this because the kids are being deprived...you are doing this for money.
Not to mention you are breaking the law and violating your contract. Yet if your school were to violate the contract you'd be screaming bloody murder... |
I don't teach privates, as I said, but I certainly wouldn't rat someone out for doing them. My school and education office haven't followed my contract to the letter, but I haven't made a stink over it. I just make allowances for myself (getting to leave early without having to sign out so that I can do my banking or go to the doctor, etc).
In the states, I did a lot of volunteer work over the summers, when I only had work and didn't take classes. Some of it was in the ESL sector. Not the majority, but some. Did I do that for the money?
For those who do it for the money, so what? It still helps the students far more than hagwons or PS. If you snitch, you're a scumbag. |
And if you teach privates you're a crook.
Now if we are done with the emotionally loaded rhetoric my position is simple. If one teaches privates, fine (as long as they are willing to accept the consequences should they get caught). But don't come around and try to portray it as some kind of altruistic endeavour.
The fact that you are attempting to somehow compare the U.S with Korea is comparing apples with oranges. If you are a citizen of either country, volunteer work is legal for you in that country. Depending on your status in the other country it may not be. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Unless you're on an F visa, it's always illegal to teach privates (I'm not 100% certain, but from what I've read, it is). |
Within the directions of an E-2 visa, you can work from your hakwon and teach one-on-one lessons (basically, private classes) for your contracted rate.
You can't, however, do it from a different location. |
That's fantastic, and I'm glad you can do that, but there are still loads of kids in need of private tutoring. Private tutoring does far more than hagwons or PS when it comes to truly learning.
Nobody's taking money out of your pocket. There will always be far too many students for you to teach. Reporting a fellow ESL teacher for this is just plain nasty. |
And this is just plain dishonest. You aren't doing this because the kids are being deprived...you are doing this for money.
Not to mention you are breaking the law and violating your contract. Yet if your school were to violate the contract you'd be screaming bloody murder... |
I don't teach privates, as I said, but I certainly wouldn't rat someone out for doing them. My school and education office haven't followed my contract to the letter, but I haven't made a stink over it. I just make allowances for myself (getting to leave early without having to sign out so that I can do my banking or go to the doctor, etc).
In the states, I did a lot of volunteer work over the summers, when I only had work and didn't take classes. Some of it was in the ESL sector. Not the majority, but some. Did I do that for the money?
For those who do it for the money, so what? It still helps the students far more than hagwons or PS. If you snitch, you're a scumbag. |
And if you teach privates you're a crook.
And I said: I don't.
Now if we are done with the emotionally loaded rhetoric my position is simple. If one teaches privates, fine (as long as they are willing to accept the consequences should they get caught). But don't come around and try to portray it as some kind of altruistic endeavour.
Of course people would be prepared to deal with any consequences, but snitching is just a jackhole thing to do. You said fine. Is it fine, or are you going to tattle on them?
I never said it was altruistic; I said it benefited all. The kids get more one-on-one, and the tutors make money.
The fact that you are attempting to somehow compare the U.S with Korea is comparing apples with oranges. If you are a citizen of either country, volunteer work is legal for you in that country. Depending on your status in the other country it may not be.
I wasn't comparing the US to Korea when I said I volunteered. I was saying that I, for one, did volunteer to teach when I was in the US, so not everyone's in it for the money, as you implied. Many are, sure, but you made it seem as if there were absolutely no kind-hearted people out there. I do a language exchange. Nobody makes money, and we both benefit. Boy am I greedy! If I were working for the money, I wouldn't have come to Korea!
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T-Bone
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: Yongin
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| Being a snitch is one of the lowest forms of scumbaggery, and if you do it you WILL get your comeuppance. I bet you lot are a real hit at parties. Oh yeah: you probably never get invited to parties, because you have no friends. |
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lukas
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Someone seriously needs to publish some of these threads from Dave's into a book.
Pass the popcorn! *munch munch*! |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| lukas wrote: |
Someone seriously needs to publish some of these threads from Dave's into a book.
Pass the popcorn! *munch munch*! |
I was going to say "Epic thread is epic," but you have beaten me to the sentiment.
For the record, private lessons are a monster created by the lack of legal private lessons allowed by the government. Too bad the foreign teachers get blamed instead of those who hire them (relate to illegal immigrants in the US workforce for ultra-epic thread tangent points). |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Unless you're on an F visa, it's always illegal to teach privates (I'm not 100% certain, but from what I've read, it is). |
Within the directions of an E-2 visa, you can work from your hakwon and teach one-on-one lessons (basically, private classes) for your contracted rate.
You can't, however, do it from a different location. |
Those aren't private classes. |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Unless you're on an F visa, it's always illegal to teach privates (I'm not 100% certain, but from what I've read, it is). |
Within the directions of an E-2 visa, you can work from your hakwon and teach one-on-one lessons (basically, private classes) for your contracted rate.
You can't, however, do it from a different location. |
Those aren't private classes. |
Oh. I'm sorry. I thought the whole business of it being one-on-one using a different book from the Hakwon curriculum and having autonomous control over everything made it private. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| ChilgokBlackHole wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Unless you're on an F visa, it's always illegal to teach privates (I'm not 100% certain, but from what I've read, it is). |
Within the directions of an E-2 visa, you can work from your hakwon and teach one-on-one lessons (basically, private classes) for your contracted rate.
You can't, however, do it from a different location. |
Those aren't private classes. |
Oh. I'm sorry. I thought the whole business of it being one-on-one using a different book from the Hakwon curriculum and having autonomous control over everything made it private. |
No. You're describing a 1:1 class, which your employer pays you to do. A private class is when you are paid directly by a student/ group of students, to teach them at a time and location of your choice. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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]Of course people would be prepared to deal with any consequences, but snitching is just a [ijackholee[/i] thing to do. You said fine. Is it fine, or are you going to tattle on them?
I never said it was altruistic; I said it benefited all. The kids get more one-on-one, and the tutors make money.[/b]
I wasn't comparing the US to Korea when I said I volunteered. I was saying that I, for one, did volunteer to teach when I was in the US, so noteveryone'ss in it for the money, as you implied. Many are, sure, but you made it seem as if there were absolutely no kind-hearted people out there. I do a language exchange. Nobody makes money, and we both benefit. Boy am I greedy! If I were working for the money, I wouldn't have come to Korea!
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Breaking the law is more of a jackhole" thing to do.
Regardless of whom it benefits, it is still illegal. You could make the argument for other types of illegal activities...IT'S STILL ILLEGAL for E-2 visa holders.
And as for benefiting the kids...it benefits the rich kids...not so much some poor farmer's kids who don't have the money for that. So anyone doing privates is perpetrating the class ism in this society and establishing the rich ever more firmly in control.
We are talking about doing privates in Korea not volunteering in your home country. Who (among the E-2 crowd) does them for free? |
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Dr. Whom
Joined: 06 Mar 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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And as for benefiting the kids...it benefits the rich kids...not so much some poor farmer's kids who don't have the money for that. So anyone doing privates is perpetrating the class ism in this society and establishing the rich ever more firmly in control.
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Boo hoo, you gonna make me cry man. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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And as for benefiting the kids...it benefits the rich kids...not so much some poor farmer's kids who don't have the money for that. So anyone doing privates is perpetrating the class ism in this society and establishing the rich ever more firmly in control.
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Boo hoo, you gonna make me cry man. |
As we have already discovered, you are an illegal worker here by your own admission in the other thread. So tell me why I or anyone else here (who is legal) should care what you think or pay any attention to you? |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Oh and btw i just got back from immig to extend for another year and had to turn in all that stuff. when the woman looked at the health check and saw the weed nest was negative she circled it. i asked her about it and she said if the place does it and its positive immig wont grant the extension, visa etc because the test was done and was positive. yeah they dont require it but if its there they can toss you
so you better pray they dont test or you are toast which you should be anyhow for being so stupid to one do it when you were coming here given the attitudes here and two you were stupid enough to post here about it, remember the locals read this board
to rest of you morons who actually gave this idiot advice on how to beat the test you all belong on a flight back with him. you've done us more harm than good
remember its not about if weed should be legal etc or what the laws are in the states or canada its about the law here in korea and how you people all flaunt it which really p isses the locals off |
Misrepresentation.
You applied for an extension. You were already in country. The OP is applying for a visa from outside. For incoming applicants, a positive test for pot is supposed to be thrown out under immi policy. Whether this will surely happen in every case is anyones bet, but i work with 2 people here who tested positive last fall. |
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anamika
Joined: 16 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I loath the stoaners they bleaken the riputation of the true profesional ESL edumacators. |
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greatunknown
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| I loath the stoaners they bleaken the riputation of the true profesional ESL edumacators. |
As a person who enjoy's a toke occasionally (more than occasionally really) I have to agree. I also loath stoner's. They are usually such cliches. But do you really get stoner types working as esl teachers in Korea? I embark on my Korea adventure in a few months so I am suprised to hear this!! Most "stoners" I know have 1 track minds that revolve around getting stoned!
I would never smoke in public, or in another country, or within a few months of leaving for another country (I don't want to bleaken anything! or take stupid risks) |
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Lunar Groove Gardener
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Location: 1987 Subaru
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Being a snitch is one of the lowest forms of scumbaggery, and if you do it you WILL get your comeuppance. I bet you lot are a real hit at parties. Oh yeah: you probably never get invited to parties, because you have no friends. |
O.K.,if you insist, I won't tell on the guy that burned your house down;
that might disqualify me from, what ? A party? Oh NOOOOOOO! |
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