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mises
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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No. I have a very erratic schedule. For 2-3 weeks straight I'll walk two hours a night and go to the gym and then for a couple months not be able to go for an evening stroll even once. Regardless of my exercise level my weight stays exactly the same. Only consistency is my diet. No matter what my caloric expenditure is my weight does not change though my diet stays the same.
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this is pretty vague but a few questions.
How often do you check your weight and where?
What is your caloric intake each day?
What is your weight and height right now? |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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That study sounds amazing but I have one question for you. You said,
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| I'm convinced that science is a tool of the powerful and not - on balance - a quest for truth with evidence |
and then later post a link in which the study received free gifts from a nutritional company (the diet used in the experiments).
Why did you decide that this particular scientific study was kosher? (if this is what was indicated by posting it). |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/
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1. Eliminate sugar (including fruit juices and sports drinks) and all foods that contain flour.
[Solid advice]
2. Start eating proper fats - Use healthy animal fats or coconut fat to substitute fat calories for carbohydrate calories that formerly came from sugar and flour. Drink whole cream or coconut milk.
[Probably good advice, in light of recent scientific developments]
3. Eliminate gluten grains. Limit grains like corn and rice, which are nutritionally poor.
[Excellent advice, science already tells us corn and rice are not especially beneficial]
4. Eliminate grain and seed derived oils (cooking oils) Cook with Ghee, butter, animal fats, or coconut oil.
[Interesting advice, I suppose it couldn't hurt]
5. Favor ruminants like beef, lamb and bison for your meat. Eat eggs and some fish.
[I don't see why red meat is favored here; fish is probably the most important due to the presence of certain crucial fats. Our paleo-ancestors also probably didn't live long enough to see gout]
6. Get daily midday sun or take 2-8000 iu vit D daily.
[Excellent advice, but watch for skin cancer]
7. Try intermittent fasting or infrequent meals (2 meals a day is best). Don't graze like a herbivore.
[Odd advice; commonly, 2 meals a day is shown to put on more pounds than 3 meals a day, but I could see a breakfast and a huge, late lunch working well. Personally, I couldn't do this, as I suffer from low blood sugar]
8. Adjust your 6s and 3s. Pastured (grass fed) dairy and grass fed beef or bison has a more optimal 6:3 ratio, more vitamins and CLA. A teaspoon or two of Carlson's fish oil (1-2 g DHA/EPA) daily is good compensatory supplementation if you eat grain-fed beef or no fish.
[Okay, I guess I have to trust him on this]
9. Proper exercise - emphasizing resistance and interval training over long aerobic sessions.
[If you're a man, resistance training is probably better than aerobics, but I see no reason to favor interval training over moderate stretches of workout; I do two sessions (split with a 5-10 break) of 20 minutes every other day, this works well for me]
10. Most modern fruit is just a candy bar from a tree. Go easy on bags of sugar like apples. Stick with berries and avoid watermelon which is pure fructose. Eat in moderation.
[Good point]
11. Eliminate legumes
[I couldn't disagree more. Where's the negative literature on legumes? I'd like to see it. Legumes have been a blessing for me. They're cheap, environmentally-friendly, full of fiber and nutrients, easy to make, and delicious. Seems like an unnecessary bias towards what our ancestors ate. Hey, if they couldn't eat beans, it doesn't follow that therefore beans are bad.]
12. Eliminate all remaining dairy including cheese- (now you are "Orthodox paleolithic")
[Probably workable and somewhat desirable, but who wants to give up cheese? Even vegetarians get to eat pizza. Seems too strict.]
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This seems like a most rigorous defense against the modern food industry and Big Agro's long reach. The only thing I would say is that our paleo-ancestors very rarely made it past 40 years of age. But much of this advice, especially 1-3, 6, and 10, if followed, would have a significantly beneficial effect. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Yes, my criticism of that diet is pretty much the same as Happy Warrior:
-I have never seen anything negative on legumes & nuts until now
-I don't think dairly is that bad for you, especially if you keep it in moderation. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| If you read the site a bit more, he says that the first four or so points will give you 90% of the benefit. When you get up to legumes, the gains to your health will be minimal. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: |
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If the body doesn't utilize consumed energy, it gets stored.
Calories in > calories out = weight gain
Calories in < calories out = weight loss
Calories in = calories out = weight stable
It's a simplified version of the truth, but it's still the truth. |
That is the way oversimplified version. Factors like metabolic rate and thyroid function play a significant role, for starters. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/6/1/10
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Schizophrenia, gluten, and low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diets: a case report and review of the literature
1 Department of Medicine, Duke University Medical Center, DUMC Box # 31179, 2301 Erwin Road, Durham, NC 27710, USA
2 Division of General Medicine, Department of Medicine, Duke University Medical Center, 4020 North Roxboro Street, Durham, NC 27704, USA
Nutrition & Metabolism 2009, 6:10doi:10.1186/1743-7075-6-10
� 2009 Kraft and Westman; licensee BioMed Central Ltd.
We report the unexpected resolution of longstanding schizophrenic symptoms after starting a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet. After a review of the literature, possible reasons for this include the metabolic consequences from the elimination of gluten from the diet, and the modulation of the disease of schizophrenia at the cellular level. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Good that mises bumped this thread. I've actually adopted important aspects of this diet.
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1. Eliminate sugar (including fruit juices and sports drinks) and all foods that contain flour.
3. Eliminate gluten grains. Limit grains like corn and rice, which are nutritionally poor.
5. Favor ruminants like beef, lamb and bison for your meat. Eat eggs and some fish.
6. Get daily midday sun or take 2-8000 iu vit D daily. |
Eliminating sugar is actually pretty easy, especially compared to eliminating flour and gluten grains. I've done the latter as well, and that also means eschewing fried chicken along with the obvious others, like sandwich buns and pizza. I had already been taking Vitamin D, but I've run out in Beijing and its not easily available here.
The last three items on his list really detract from the meat of his diet, and as the last items they leave a bad taste in your mouth and come off as being important. But in fact, they're not, even the PaNu guy consumes dairy. But I've found the PaNu guy, like so many scientists, doesn't really know how to write persuasively or make his points convincing. Also, he posts on that blog three times a month, tops. Still, a very worthwhile site. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
Good that mises bumped this thread. I've actually adopted important aspects of this diet.
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1. Eliminate sugar (including fruit juices and sports drinks) and all foods that contain flour.
3. Eliminate gluten grains. Limit grains like corn and rice, which are nutritionally poor.
5. Favor ruminants like beef, lamb and bison for your meat. Eat eggs and some fish.
6. Get daily midday sun or take 2-8000 iu vit D daily. |
Eliminating sugar is actually pretty easy, especially compared to eliminating flour and gluten grains. I've done the latter as well, and that also means eschewing fried chicken along with the obvious others, like sandwich buns and pizza. I had already been taking Vitamin D, but I've run out in Beijing and its not easily available here.
The last three items on his list really detract from the meat of his diet, and as the last items they leave a bad taste in your mouth and come off as being important. But in fact, they're not, even the PaNu guy consumes dairy. But I've found the PaNu guy, like so many scientists, doesn't really know how to write persuasively or make his points convincing. Also, he posts on that blog three times a month, tops. Still, a very worthwhile site. |
He hasn't posted in over a month and the last post was about shooting turkeys. A shame. It is a treasure trove of info though. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:23 am Post subject: |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2963728494205235281#
^ A lecture about diet and behavior. Very interesting. Sugar and refined carbs are toxic not only to our guts and hearts but also our minds. |
A fantastic collection of data. Thanks. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:56 am Post subject: |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2963728494205235281#
^ A lecture about diet and behavior. Very interesting. |
Yeah, carbohydrate diets (like heavy on potatoes) leading to aggression (the Irish!); hypoglycemic Indians in Peru most aggressive; MSG stimulates suicidal reactions (the Koreans?).
The relation of diet to brain function and behaviour is not only at the individual level but also the CULTURAL level where members of a culture share dietary practices. Interesting. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I found it interesting (appalling?) that ALL the school shooters in the US were on the same class of prescription drugs. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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This is kinda related to carbs:
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One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink actually tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.
But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that � for reasons that aren't entirely clear � abstaining from alcohol does actually tend to increase one's risk of dying even when you exclude former drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers. |
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.htm
And they have less fun conversations on Friday night. |
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