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Should I learn Korean?
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BringTheRain



Joined: 26 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright guys, have at it. Go around calling Korean dudes Chinese and report back here. Truthfully.
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tell girls they're from China...get's them launghing and usually hitting you.

Most adjoessis are wussies, but quite a few are actually gym rats benearth the vests...the big fat ones who have at least 25-50 pounds on you and some height will start trouble.

I've sleighted a few like the person above did in korean(other phrases)....believe me, they always came after me and looked for an apology.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some reasons why I think a foreign teacher should learn Korean:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=13860&highlight=
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You either learn it or you don't - I've known many people in both camps who've all done just fine.
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air76



Joined: 13 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BringTheRain wrote:
Alright guys, have at it. Go around calling Korean dudes Chinese and report back here. Truthfully.


I personally have no desire to be rude to complete strangers....as much as I would love to run up to a Korean tourist in the States and point and shout "Asian! Asian!" I will never do such a thing....my point was that if you did want to call random ajoshis Chinese that the average person would be in no physical danger after said act.
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air76



Joined: 13 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Here are some reasons why I think a foreign teacher should learn Korean:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=13860&highlight=


Directing people to your own quote...awesome.

Caniff is spot on...you either learn it or you don't, it really isn't THAT big of a deal either way. Clearly the more of the language you know the easier it will be to communicate, this is a no-brainer....but the average person doesn't need to put in more than 20-30 hours of Korean study in total before they will know enough to get by just fine.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depths of My Soul wrote:
Best way learn Korean, date Korean?. Yes?

IF the Korean doesn't speak English.
I've known two wegukin's who were married to Koreans who spoke excellent English, and neither of them spoke Korean well enough to get through a complete sentence.

nfld_chingu wrote:
We come here to teach English, not to learn Korean.

That's a line which Koreans use on me to try to discourage me from learning Korean.
They tell me to speak English in the classroom, which I do anyway.
Those dim bulbs don't seem to understand that I have a life outside the classroom.

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I have a Korean boyfriend who speaks almost-perfect English, but he also wants me to learn for when I meet his father and grandmother (I have already met his mother).

They say that when a Korean girl introduces a guy to her parents, it really means something.
I don't know whether it works the other way or not.
If it does, you might find yourself staying here longer than you expect.

World Traveler wrote:
Can you surpass in one year of Korean study many years of a Korean's English study?

After seeing first hand the crappy English program in the public schools, I think I probably can.

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Do you think they enjoy straining to try to understand someone?

I don't have to think. Some of the Koreans tell me point blank that they don't.
If a person is too high and mighty to take just a few seconds of precious time to help me learn Korean, then I am unworthy of the blessing of that person's holy presence. So I turn around and walk away.

air76: It's rude and egotistical to share a thread with a link?
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gavel went down on the table at 8:00 PM. "The meeting of the Miriam Ferguson Society will now begin."

The secretary read the minutes of the last meeting. The treasurer read the latest report.

"Is there any old business?" The President paused briefly. "If not, then we proceed with our new business. Mr. 경찰관, I believe you had an idea which you wanted to discuss?"

Mr. 경 made a smile of assent and stood up. "Some of you have heard the English expression that 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.' Or another expression, 'a stitch in time saves nine.' I have been thinking about the efforts which we have been spending in dealing with wegukin's who have already been in our country for a while and have already been studying our language for a while, and have already spoken Korean all over the place. I wonder if there was some way that we can catch these offenders from the very beginning."

The President asked, "How do you propose to do this, Mr. 경?"

Mr. 경 answered, "It seems that most of these offenders come to our country already knowing a little bit of Korean--not much, but enough to detect. So my proposal is to send a few Society members at every international airport to wait for every arriving flight and at every ferry port to wait for every arriving ferry."

A chorus of sighs ensued. Some comments of "A splendid idea!" were heard.

"Each Society member will watch all the wegukins who already has someone meeting them, but will also watch out for any wegukins who do not have someone meeting them. Those are the ones that the Society member can really test."

Another Society member asked, "How do we do that?"

Mr. 경 answered, "First, the Society member will greet the wegukin in Korean. If the wegukin responds in Korean, that is a suspicious sign, but you still need to probe just a liiiiittle further. The Society member will feign astonishment and say, "아! 한국말 잘 하신데!� If the wegukin understands that as "Oh, you speak Korean very well" and thanks the Society member in Korean, then you have a pretty good prospect."

Someone said, "What do you do then?"

Mr. 경 continued, "That's when you want to make friends with the wegukin and get the personal information you need. You can suggest an eating place at the port which has shining lights in hangul." He held up a finger of admonishment. "Careful not to look toward the eating place while you make the suggestion, because that will give it away. If the wegukin starts to walk toward that eating place without any hints, then that is a sure sign that he or she can read hangul."

Someone else said, "I think I'm getting the drift."

"You go to the eating place where you trade contact information--what's your name, what's your e-mail address, where will you be staying. The wegukin thinks you're writing the information down for a social contact, but really you're going to hand in the information to the police."

A delighted chuckle filled the room. A member of the Society raised his hand. "What will be the penalty for getting caught in this trap?"

Mr. 경 said, "We will first have to have a letter-writing campaign. We will all write letters to our representatives in the National Assembly. This is one matter which I intended to discuss with you. What do you think the penalty should be?"

One member timidly suggested, "Prison?" Another member suggested, "Deportation?"

A third member boldly stood up. "I can name one penalty which would be worse than prison or deportation--a year's contract in Itaewon!"

Everyone cheered and applauded.
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nfld_chingu



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:


nfld_chingu wrote:
We come here to teach English, not to learn Korean.

That's a line which Koreans use on me to try to discourage me from learning Korean.
They tell me to speak English in the classroom, which I do anyway.
Those dim bulbs don't seem to understand that I have a life outside the classroom.


When I said that, I was defending a foreigner's right to not learn Korean while in Korea without being criticized for it. I wasn't trying to discourage anyone from learning Korean. As I said, I study Korean because I enjoy it and I find it useful. But I also have several friends who don't know how to read Korean and can't speak much Korean, and I don't think any less of them for that. I was criticized (harrassed, actually) by a foreigner who has been here for over five years (I've been here 1.5) because he felt that his Korean speaking ability was better than mine. I don't think anybody deserves that. Nobody has to learn Korean when they come here. That is not why we are here. It is the choice of the individual if they want to learn or not.

tomato wrote:

They say that when a Korean girl introduces a guy to her parents, it really means something.
I don't know whether it works the other way or not.
If it does, you might find yourself staying here longer than you expect.


I never said what my expectations were, did I?
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Dragoon



Joined: 18 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing I don't understand about most waygooks on here... is how the ones that study Korean always hate on the ones that don't. I've studied my fair share over time and I can hold my own in the ring (not that I'm the cat's ass or anything) but if some other waygook doesn't want to learn a word of Korean...why do I give a damn? Some of you dudes kill me....
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nfld_chingu



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragoon wrote:
The thing I don't understand about most waygooks on here... is how the ones that study Korean always hate on the ones that don't.


That's basically what I've been saying ... I don't get it either.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there's two of you who don't care, Plus me, that makes 3 - so its not really *everyone* who gives a damn. Just people who want an opinion.
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BringTheRain



Joined: 26 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most people who try to learn some of the language of the country they are in don't waste time making excuses on an internet forum.
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English Matt



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traversant wrote:
I already learned a language when I was living in Europe for several years. You can't learn enough in one year that's significant enough to mention on a resume. Kind of you to worry about my resume though but I've got it covered Wink


I do have to agree with this. It simply isn't possible to learn much more than basic or v. low Korea in a year or two of living here. Now, if you plan to build on that after you leave (say in a University program or at an institute in another country, then fine). However, studying your butt off to learn a language to low int. and then abandoning it seems silly.

I agree that it looks like a waste of time if you spent two years in Korea doing nothing to advance your skill set, but there are other more useful languages that you could spend your time in Korea studying (some, like French and German, that you would be much more proficient in after two years of study in Korea, than you would likely be in Korean having spent the same amount of time studying). If Korean will be useful to you in your future career or you see yourself having a long association with Korea (and that may be because you decided to settle here, or it may be because you have a Korean wife or family) then it makes sense to study the language intensively. Otherwise, it seems foolish to divert time into acquiring a skill that you may never utilise in the future when you could spend that time developing one that you will.

Now this is not to say don't study the language......I studied it rather intensively for my first 8 months here, but since then I have been rather a casual learner, picking up new words and phrases from my girlfriend and occassionally spending an hour or so looking at one of my textbooks. I really don't understand people who don't put in the minimal effort it takes to learn how to read Hangul, or the phrases they need to tell the taxi driver where to take them, order food in a restaurant, order food over the phone, basic greetings, etc.

That being said, I have spent approximately 30 hours a week studying German for the past year and I think that to have studied Korean during any of that time would have detracted from my future goals.

It's up to the individual. As I said, learn the language beyond the basics if:

a) It fits into your future plans
b) You are likely to maintain an association with this country and it's people for a long period of time
c) You have no future plans, are not learning another language and have nothing better to do than spend your weekends lying around and looking at your own winkle
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