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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
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Tories criticized:
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The fact that the Tories only got 36.1 percent of the vote, despite facing a tired government, a discredited, disliked prime minister, should make them ask some serious questions about their campaign. Thatcher got 43.9 percent in �79, 42.4 percent in �83, and 42.4 percent in �87. John Major got 41.9 percent in �92
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/politics-and-government/don%27t-panic/ |
I can't believe how many people voted Labour. Presumably, since the Tories will rightly axe many state jobs for those who are superfluously employed (and freeze salaries, like the Greeks), pretty much the entire public sector has probably voted Labour. The self-interest of those who do government paperwork for a living yet provide very little if anything that people actually need is one of the most destructive forces in the world today. Things will be better when the baby-boomers are all dead.
Latvia Sparkling:
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Latvia has abolished 30 percent of public sector jobs, and the wages of government employees who remain has been cut by 28 percent. A government deficit of 20 percent of GDP has been transformed into a surplus of 8 percent in just 2 years
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/misc/real-reform/ |
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gunners girl
Joined: 30 Oct 2009
Location: London
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Conservative 10,681,417, 36.1%
Labour 8,501,441, 29.1%
Liberal Democrat 6,805,665, 23.0%
UK Independence 914,811, 3.1%
British National Party 562,977, 1.9%
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I actually find it pretty scary that the BNP are (in terms of the popular vote, if not actual seats) the 5th largest party in the UK. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:28 am Post subject: |
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I believe that this shows a historic milestone:
The Green Party elected someone using the "first-past-the-post" system.
Also, look at the LibDems. 23% of the vote but how many seats?
23% of the seats?
Um, no.
Electoral Reform, please. No more wasted votes! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
Tories criticized:
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The fact that the Tories only got 36.1 percent of the vote, despite facing a tired government, a discredited, disliked prime minister, should make them ask some serious questions about their campaign. Thatcher got 43.9 percent in �79, 42.4 percent in �83, and 42.4 percent in �87. John Major got 41.9 percent in �92
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/politics-and-government/don%27t-panic/ |
I can't believe how many people voted Labour. Presumably, since the Tories will rightly axe many state jobs for those who are superfluously employed (and freeze salaries, like the Greeks), pretty much the entire public sector has probably voted Labour. The self-interest of those who do government paperwork for a living yet provide very little if anything that people actually need is one of the most destructive forces in the world today. Things will be better when the baby-boomers are all dead.
Latvia Sparkling:
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Latvia has abolished 30 percent of public sector jobs, and the wages of government employees who remain has been cut by 28 percent. A government deficit of 20 percent of GDP has been transformed into a surplus of 8 percent in just 2 years
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/misc/real-reform/ |
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I seriously doubt any UK gov't will cut public sector jobs. Has any in the past? I know that's one thing that never happens here in the USA- federal gov't jobs are never cut. |
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Depths of My Soul
Joined: 04 Apr 2010
Location: In The Sun
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
I believe that this shows a historic milestone:
The Green Party elected someone using the "first-past-the-post" system.
Also, look at the LibDems. 23% of the vote but how many seats?
23% of the seats?
Um, no.
Electoral Reform, please. No more wasted votes! |
I think more people are finally realising that we're not living in a democracy.
I mean, how can there be a 201 seat difference between Labour and Lib Dems but just a 6% vote share difference.
Yet at the same time there's just a 48 seat difference between Conservatives and Labour with a 7.1% vote share difference between them.
Who will bomb us to our freedom and democracy? LOL.
Conservative 36% = 306 seats
Labour 29% = 258 seats
Liberal Democrat 23% = 57 seats
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Depths of My Soul wrote: |
I think more people are finally realising that we're not living in a democracy.
I mean, how can there be a 201 seat difference between Labour and Lib Dems but just a 6% vote share difference.
Yet at the same time there's just a 48 seat difference between Conservatives and Labour with a 7.1% vote share difference between them.
Who will bomb us to our freedom and democracy? LOL.
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If those corn-holing commies would quit voting, I'd be all over that!   |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
Tories criticized:
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The fact that the Tories only got 36.1 percent of the vote, despite facing a tired government, a discredited, disliked prime minister, should make them ask some serious questions about their campaign. Thatcher got 43.9 percent in �79, 42.4 percent in �83, and 42.4 percent in �87. John Major got 41.9 percent in �92
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/politics-and-government/don%27t-panic/ |
I can't believe how many people voted Labour. Presumably, since the Tories will rightly axe many state jobs for those who are superfluously employed (and freeze salaries, like the Greeks), pretty much the entire public sector has probably voted Labour. The self-interest of those who do government paperwork for a living yet provide very little if anything that people actually need is one of the most destructive forces in the world today. Things will be better when the baby-boomers are all dead.
Latvia Sparkling:
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Latvia has abolished 30 percent of public sector jobs, and the wages of government employees who remain has been cut by 28 percent. A government deficit of 20 percent of GDP has been transformed into a surplus of 8 percent in just 2 years
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/misc/real-reform/ |
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I seriously doubt any UK gov't will cut public sector jobs. Has any in the past? I know that's one thing that never happens here in the USA- federal gov't jobs are never cut. |
Past results are not indicative of future results. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| I seriously doubt any UK gov't will cut public sector jobs. Has any in the past? I know that's one thing that never happens here in the USA- federal gov't jobs are never cut. |
According to the hideous left-wing rag, The Mirror:
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| Eton-educated Mr Cameron will be aiming at getting rid of an astonishing 40,000 public sector workers. . . |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:43 am Post subject: |
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http://www.voterpower.org.uk/
Have a look at this - someone worked out how much your vote is actually worth, taking into account how strong each party is in the area, and the number of voters. I voted in Manchester Withington which is fiercely contested by the Lib Dems and Labour (with the door-to-door help of Eddie Izzard!). Because it was so close here, this website calculates my vote was 3 times as powerful as the average.
On the other hand, my friend lives in Manchester Central which is Labour through and through. That website estimates her vote was worth 0.016 of the average vote! That is 16 times less. It is a ridiculous system.
Even now the LibDems holding all the cards seems ridiculous. As much as I hate the fucking bastards in fairness youd have to say the Tories should actually get a shot at governing. It's funny how they messed it up right good though. What more did Gordon Brown need to do, he could have said "I hate all these peasants" and Cameron still wouldnt have wrestled it away.
About the Public Sector, whilst the Tories would probably want to avoid cutting jobs as it would be extremely unpopular, have you seen how much debt we're in? Something has to give. If you dont believe they will mess around with that area then just try and remember the state of the NHS and the schools the last time they were involved. One of Thatcher's most notorious cuts was taking away the free milk schoolchildren used to get. Generally why they are so unpopular is because they are heartless c.n.ts who dont care about the common man.
Anyway, basically we are in serious serious debt and whoever is PM has got an impossible task, cos they arent going to be able to solve this problem anytime soon. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand, my friend lives in Manchester Central which is Labour through and through. That website estimates her vote was worth 0.016 of the average vote! That is 16 times less. It is a ridiculous system.
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Isn't it actually 62.5 times less? |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
Tories criticized:
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The fact that the Tories only got 36.1 percent of the vote, despite facing a tired government, a discredited, disliked prime minister, should make them ask some serious questions about their campaign. Thatcher got 43.9 percent in �79, 42.4 percent in �83, and 42.4 percent in �87. John Major got 41.9 percent in �92
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/politics-and-government/don%27t-panic/ |
I can't believe how many people voted Labour. Presumably, since the Tories will rightly axe many state jobs for those who are superfluously employed (and freeze salaries, like the Greeks), pretty much the entire public sector has probably voted Labour. The self-interest of those who do government paperwork for a living yet provide very little if anything that people actually need is one of the most destructive forces in the world today. Things will be better when the baby-boomers are all dead.
Latvia Sparkling:
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Latvia has abolished 30 percent of public sector jobs, and the wages of government employees who remain has been cut by 28 percent. A government deficit of 20 percent of GDP has been transformed into a surplus of 8 percent in just 2 years
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/misc/real-reform/ |
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I seriously doubt any UK gov't will cut public sector jobs. Has any in the past? I know that's one thing that never happens here in the USA- federal gov't jobs are never cut. |
In the calendar year 2009 the UK recorded a general government deficit of �159.2 billion, which was equivalent to 11.4 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP).
At the end of December 2009 general government debt was �950.4 billion, equivalent to 68.1 per cent of GDP.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=277
The UK has never had a debt like this before. Before the election, all candidates said that public sector jobs would have to be cut, to start making up this obscene amount of debt. |
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Depths of My Soul
Joined: 04 Apr 2010
Location: In The Sun
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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It's funny how they messed it up right good though. What more did Gordon Brown need to do, he could have said "I hope Wayne Rooney breaks his leg" and Cameron still wouldn't have wrestled it away.
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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On the other hand, my friend lives in Manchester Central which is Labour through and through. That website estimates her vote was worth 0.016 of the average vote! That is 16 times less. It is a ridiculous system.
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Isn't it actually 62.5 times less? |
Pedantry aside, have a look at what Finchy is saying above. We are in an obscene amount of debt and have been living above our means for some time now. How do you get out of so much debt?
I wish that after the World War 2 we had calmed down and realised we werent the rulers of the world anymore. We are a middle-sized European country with a lot going for it, but things change and if we had been a little more contained and sensible then what is around the corner may have been a little more rosy. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand, my friend lives in Manchester Central which is Labour through and through. That website estimates her vote was worth 0.016 of the average vote! That is 16 times less. It is a ridiculous system.
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Isn't it actually 62.5 times less? |
Pedantry aside ... |
I wasn't trying to be pedantic. I simply felt the real number reinforced your point even more strongly.
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| How do you get out of so much debt? |
Stop deficit spending, stop borrowing, and focus on private sector production instead of public sector services? The challenge isn't how to solve the problem, the challenge is getting politicians to do it. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| rusty1983 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| rusty1983 wrote: |
On the other hand, my friend lives in Manchester Central which is Labour through and through. That website estimates her vote was worth 0.016 of the average vote! That is 16 times less. It is a ridiculous system.
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Isn't it actually 62.5 times less? |
Pedantry aside ... |
I wasn't trying to be pedantic. I simply felt the real number reinforced your point even more strongly.
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| How do you get out of so much debt? |
Stop deficit spending, stop borrowing, and focus on private sector production instead of public sector services? The challenge isn't how to solve the problem, the challenge is getting politicians to do it. |
Sorry, I was being a *beep* when I said 'pedantry'! Think i made a mistake! The challenge is to make the changes most definitely, but I dont think the public here are ready to accept them. What I think it will mean a drop in the lifestyle, because I do think people here have got used to a certain serve-your-self-first-consequences-later lifestyle and no one cares enough to change it.
I would not want to be the Prime Minister of England for the next 5 years, put it like that. |
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