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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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I would urge others not to make the mistake I did in watching that video... or if you do, at least turn the sound off. I have no idea what I would do if anyone, police or not, broke into my home and shot my dogs. A corgi and a caged pitbull... wtf. Just... wtf. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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in the US, 17 is a kid, a legal minor.
penn state or whichever shold withdrawl acceptance as he has brought dishonor...
minors are not responsible. their guardians are. his folks should be billed for every cent of his trespassing.
don't like the rules? then don't go. |
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goniff
Joined: 31 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: |
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yeah, this kid's parents should be proud about raising such a fine upstanding human being...
let's be honest the city of Philadelphia is the biggest joke in terms of sports teams and "supporters" (fans) bar none (Rocky Balboa excepted ha!)
why doesn't the USA government do something about this scum/blight on humanity? |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:14 am Post subject: |
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yeah, this kid's parents should be proud about raising such a fine upstanding human being...
let's be honest the city of Philadelphia is the biggest joke in terms of sports teams and "supporters" (fans) bar none (Rocky Balboa excepted ha!)
why doesn't the USA government do something about this scum/blight on humanity? |
Which "blight," Philadelphia? Philly is protected by the powerful cream cheese lobby. Fuggitaboutit. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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The kid was the obviously and idiot looking for attention and not dangerous. The tasering was excessive, plus the officer fired from behind him. There was no warning or anything.
For subduing someone that is dangerous I totally support tasering, better than a gun. But for something like this, the kid could have had his heart stopped especially if he was on drugs. |
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tjmauermann
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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The kid made an mistake in his life. He chose to do something that is illegal. They make the statement to not enter the field before each major league game. He chose not to listen.
He went a step further by not listening to the cops when they asked him to quit, to make matters worse a tubby officer (lets face it none of the police that are covering a sporting event are in the prime of life or health) looked like an ass in front of an entire crowd. He couldn't keep up or stop him with a tackle so he went with the non-lethal alternative to bring the incident to a halt.
Kid should be okay physically. He will have his day in court and pay a fine and get put on a one year probation. Everyone forgets about it in 6 months.
Tasers are about as safe as it can be. When I was an officer I had been tased and pepper sprayed. It was not a delightful experience but I have suffered no ill effects. Neither will the kid. |
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RyanInKorea
Joined: 17 Jan 2008
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I think police shouldn't be allowed to use any degree of force until certain requirements are met. In this case, tasers shouldn't even be taken out until the 'suspect' pulls out a weapon or become violent. Therefore, until he tackles a players, pulls out his 'switchblade or bomb' (wtf, did you even watch the video?) or punches the first base coach, the cop shouldn't even be allowed to remove the taser from his belt.
If the police do remove it before the proper time, they should be punished. On a side note, fat people shouldn't be allowed to be cops. Obviously, this guy couldn't fullfil his required duty. What was he doing on the job?
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| RyanInKorea wrote: |
| I think police shouldn't be allowed to use any degree of force until certain requirements are met. In this case, tasers shouldn't even be taken out until the 'suspect' pulls out a weapon or become violent. Therefore, until he tackles a players, pulls out his 'switchblade or bomb' (wtf, did you even watch the video?) or punches the first base coach, the cop shouldn't even be allowed to remove the taser from his belt. |
Physically restraining someone is a degree of force. Under your system, if a person were to run out onto the field it would be functionally impossible to remove them until they harmed someone in some way, since police wouldn't even be allowed to touch him. Police would be stuck repeatedly asking him to leave, which probably wouldn't do much.
Frankly I don't care if sports games are indefinitely delayed by trespassers who it's illegal to restrain and remove until they physically harm someone, but I think other people may feel more strongly about it. |
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kiknkorea
Joined: 16 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Frankly I don't care if sports games are indefinitely delayed by trespassers who it's illegal to restrain and remove until they physically harm someone, but I think other people may feel more strongly about it. |
The field of play is for the players.
Think about it, if people can go on the field whenever they feel like it, then a game might never end. A coach wouldn't even need to use timeouts, fans could just disrupt the game when they see fit.
If I buy tickets to a game (or even watch one on TV), I want to see a game being played.
If I want to see people running around acting silly, I'll head to Mudfest. |
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RyanInKorea
Joined: 17 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Physically restraining someone is a degree of force. Under your system, if a person were to run out onto the field it would be functionally impossible to remove them until they harmed someone in some way, since police wouldn't even be allowed to touch him. Police would be stuck repeatedly asking him to leave, which probably wouldn't do much. |
Obviously, running out onto the field would be a enough ('fullfill the requirement', to use my previous definition) to physically restrain and even tackle an individual. Running onto the field is not enough to warrant the taser though.
My point is the officer shouldn't have even been allowed to take that thing off his belt. The situation didn't call for it.
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Physically restraining someone is a degree of force. Under your system, if a person were to run out onto the field it would be functionally impossible to remove them until they harmed someone in some way, since police wouldn't even be allowed to touch him. Police would be stuck repeatedly asking him to leave, which probably wouldn't do much. |
Obviously, running out onto the field would be a enough ('fullfill the requirement', to use my previous definition) to physically restrain and even tackle an individual. Running onto the field is not enough to warrant the taser though. |
Why? I asked for statistics that showed if tasers were more likely to cause lasting harm than being tackled earlier in this thread and no one answered me. Do you have such statistics? Because if a taser hasn't been proven to be more likely to cause lasting harm than a tackle, I don't see your point. If you do have such statistics on the other hand, I'll agree with you that this situation wasn't worth the added chance of lasting injury. |
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RyanInKorea
Joined: 17 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Why? I asked for statistics that showed if tasers were more likely to cause lasting harm than being tackled earlier in this thread and no one answered me. Do you have such statistics? Because if a taser hasn't been proven to be more likely to cause lasting harm than a tackle, I don't see your point. If you do have such statistics on the other hand, I'll agree with you that this situation wasn't worth the added chance of lasting injury. |
I prepositioned everything with, "I think..." It's fair for you to ask why I think this, but I don't actually know if a taser has the added chance of lasting injury. All I know is that I would rather not get tased (is that right?) because some fat ass cop cannot catch me.
Yep, that's it. I just don't want to be tasered if I am acting like an asshat. I don't think that it is warranted. I simply believe that getting tasered is a greater punishment than getting tackled, but a lesser one than getting shot. I hope that tasering people doesn't become a normal occurance and it shouldn't replace physical restraining non-violent people.
The bottom line: I want to remove the power for the police to decide whether or not a taser should be used. There should be clear rules for the police to follow, just like there is for searching and apprehending people, and for entering people's homes.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I think police shouldn't be allowed to use any degree of force until certain requirements are met. In this case, tasers shouldn't even be taken out until the 'suspect' pulls out a weapon or become violent. T |
So basically a police couldn't draw his weapon until the suspect draws his first? Do you not see the end result of that which would be the suspect also gets to USE his weapon first? It's in his hand while the officer's is still holstered. By the time the officer unsnaps the holster and draws his gun/Taser the suspect's had time to use HIS weapon two or three times. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, that's it. I just don't want to be tasered if I am acting like an asshat.
But maybe the people around you who are annoyed or threatened by your behavior do.
The bottom line: I want to remove the power for the police to decide whether or not a taser should be used. There should be clear rules for the police to follow, just like there is for searching and apprehending people, and for entering people's homes.
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Actually there are already are laws in place. But much of the time the use of a weapon whether it be a gun or Taser is left to the officer's discretion as it is simply impossible to write rules that cover ALL possible situations or rules that exactly fit every situation. To say nothing of the fact it would take years to memorize all those rules. That's just unrealistic. |
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