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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| bacasper wrote: |
You got that backwards, and it is their home. Everyone from Texas through California are the ones living illegally in their country. How about we send all them back where they came from? |
You believe in racial ownership of land? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| That is the problem with the US...too much of the PC crap. Oh, lets not offend anyone. Let's not offend the riff raff that illegally cross the border. Let's make them feel "comfortable." Want them to feel like it is their home...and, boy, do they every try and make it just like their home. It is why America is weak. It is rotting from within. Its own liberties are being exploited by others. Why should people who are illegally in a country have any rights or be welcomed? You think you would be treated well if you are illegally here in Korea? No, you'll either get a big ass fine or your butt will sit in jail. The US needs to start making illegals feel uncomfortable. Oh, and I agree with another poster about putting landmines on the US/Mexico border. Make it like the DMZ here. Absolutely. |
I personally don't think the US is on a downard slope, but for argument's sake, let's say you are right, the country is going down the toilet and "rotting from within." (Il)legal immigration is most definitely not one of the biggest factors for that happening. No, I'd say that rot would be more due to:
1. Our gov't increasing entitlements while cutting taxes
2. In a similar vein, launching senseless wars that do more harm than good for our country (Vietnam being the first of the modern era, Iraq being the most recent)
3. A total gutting of financial regulations put in place during the Great Depression to ensure a repeat did not occur.
4. Lack of emphasis on education, and not adapting our education system to fit the new economy.
5. Being in a bubble, and not realizing until recently that the rest of the world (well, East Asia) is catching up to us in development.
And there are plenty of other factors too. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
You got that backwards, and it is their home. Everyone from Texas through California are the ones living illegally in their country. How about we send all them back where they came from? |
You believe in racial ownership of land? |
I was just making the point to Wishmaster that all that land originally belonged to Mexico.
I believe in us all living together in harmony (and sitting around a campfire, singing Kumbaya, and passing the peace pipe).  |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Which land Ba.? California had left MExico it was independent. The Mexican government had neglected California and the Californios had went their seperate way. Polk started a war to seize California from Mexico but it was already independent. Fremont expected a fight but instead the locals wanted to negotiate. Russia and Britain were waiting to grab it. It doesnt matter this was a free speech issue and that supersedes any hurt feelings. My feelings are hurt every time Glenn Beck opens his mouth but he has the right to speech. this was sillines and probably overplayed in the media. Should be settled by the principal apoligizing to the boys and their parents but will probably end up in court. Just strange. A few years ago I went to a hispanic music festival in Nashville Tennessee on Cinco de Mayo and in the auditorium the American and Mexican flags were both displayed. No one seem offended. I remember the flags because there was a party for some newly naturalized citizens. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Wishmaster wrote: |
| Let's not offend the riff raff that illegally cross the border. Let's make them feel "comfortable." Want them to feel like it is their home...and, boy, do they every try and make it just like their home. |
You got that backwards, and it is their home. Everyone from Texas through California are the ones living illegally in their country. How about we send all them back where they came from? |
If Mexicans are entitled to land because they owned it once upon a time, then so are Jews. But I thought you were against the State of Israel, so I'm confused about your stance on such matters. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Wishmaster wrote: |
| Let's not offend the riff raff that illegally cross the border. Let's make them feel "comfortable." Want them to feel like it is their home...and, boy, do they every try and make it just like their home. |
You got that backwards, and it is their home. Everyone from Texas through California are the ones living illegally in their country. How about we send all them back where they came from? |
If Mexicans are entitled to land because they owned it once upon a time, then so are Jews. But I thought you were against the State of Israel, so I'm confused about your stance on such matters. |
It only applies to countries/states/etc that existed in the AD era  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Wishmaster wrote: |
| Let's not offend the riff raff that illegally cross the border. Let's make them feel "comfortable." Want them to feel like it is their home...and, boy, do they every try and make it just like their home. |
You got that backwards, and it is their home. Everyone from Texas through California are the ones living illegally in their country. How about we send all them back where they came from? |
If Mexicans are entitled to land because they owned it once upon a time, then so are Jews. But I thought you were against the State of Israel, so I'm confused about your stance on such matters. |
It only applies to countries/states/etc that existed in the AD era |
So the birth of Jesus Christ irrevocably stripped the Jews of their landrights? He's the heretic that just keeps on taking! |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| Wishmaster wrote: |
| Let's not offend the riff raff that illegally cross the border. Let's make them feel "comfortable." Want them to feel like it is their home...and, boy, do they every try and make it just like their home. |
You got that backwards, and it is their home. Everyone from Texas through California are the ones living illegally in their country. How about we send all them back where they came from? |
If Mexicans are entitled to land because they owned it once upon a time, then so are Jews. But I thought you were against the State of Israel, so I'm confused about your stance on such matters. |
I know that throughout history, people have always taken land from each other. I really do not know the answer here, and let me admit my bias up front: I love Mexico and Mexicans. I married one and fathered two. And it is the second best cuisine in the world. I just think it is hypocritical to take such a harsh stance on those who happen to be on this side of the border now. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Wishmaster wrote: |
| Let's not offend the riff raff that illegally cross the border. Let's make them feel "comfortable." Want them to feel like it is their home...and, boy, do they every try and make it just like their home. |
You got that backwards, and it is their home. Everyone from Texas through California are the ones living illegally in their country. How about we send all them back where they came from? |
If Mexicans are entitled to land because they owned it once upon a time, then so are Jews. But I thought you were against the State of Israel, so I'm confused about your stance on such matters. |
I know that throughout history, people have always taken land from each other. I really do not know the answer here, and let me admit my bias up front: I love Mexico and Mexicans. I married one and fathered two. And it is the second best cuisine in the world. I just think it is hypocritical to take such a harsh stance on those who happen to be on this side of the border now. |
Speaking for myself, I actually have generally favorable views about Mexico, its people, the food, culture etc. However, the Mexican government is one of the most corrupt on the planet. This is why Mexico, a country flush with natural resources and many smart, hard working people is full of poverty. It's basically become a country ruled by thugs and drug cartels fighting each other for control, dragging everyone else down.
Nevertheless, the Mexican people need to fix their own country. It simply isn't plausible for millions and millions of impoverished people (some of whom are good, some of whom are anti-American racists - let's get that straight) to flood our borders, especially when they're being used as a political weapon by the globalists in our own government to undermine our sovereignty. Open borders goes hand in hand with NAFTA.
I'm all for legal immigration. There are plenty of good, hard-working Mexicans who would make great citizens. Basically I don't care what color skin a person has, but if they want to live in America and have rights as citizens then they need to become real Americans. We can't just leave the borders wide open (which is basically amounts to the merging of our countries), especially given the dire state of Mexico at present. This is pretty obvious I think. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| I also love Mexico and like Mexican people . they are easy to like, hard working, family oriented. visitorQ called it. the Mexican government is the villian. I see it so often. the Mexican family which comes to the states with nothing and within a few years is prosperous. Now why werent they allowed the oppurtunity in their home country Almost 80 years of rule by the PRI. They still hold most of the power. WE have to have a visitor worker arrangement but it should be contingent on changes within Mexico. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| WE have to have a visitor worker arrangement but it should be contingent on changes within Mexico. |
Certainly a noble sentiment (I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of Mexico and Mexicans), however I would caution that the workers denied visas due to the sloth of the Mexican government would suffer more than the government for want of their repatriated wages.
I personally disagree with politically motivated visa issuance/with-holding for common citizens except for concerns of national security.
The true problem is logistics. How can you process, manage, and track that many people? It's a mess without a clear solution without harming someone. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Certainly a noble sentiment (I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of Mexico and Mexicans), however I would caution that the workers denied visas due to the sloth of the Mexican government would suffer more than the government for want of their repatriated wages.
I personally disagree with politically motivated visa issuance/with-holding for common citizens except for concerns of national security. |
 WTF are you talking about here? The Mexican government does not issue visas for Mexicans to come to the USA. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| .38 Special wrote: |
Certainly a noble sentiment (I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of Mexico and Mexicans), however I would caution that the workers denied visas due to the sloth of the Mexican government would suffer more than the government for want of their repatriated wages.
I personally disagree with politically motivated visa issuance/with-holding for common citizens except for concerns of national security. |
WTF are you talking about here? The Mexican government does not issue visas for Mexicans to come to the USA. |
I was referring to Rollo's contention that a guest-worker program ought to be established and based upon reform in the Mexican government. In the context I meant that we should not base issuing worker visas based upon the willingness of the Mexican government to clean itself up, as that would be moreso punishing Mexican citizens than their government. In other words, the number of worker visas we issue should not reflect reform in Mexico but instead by the demand for their services.
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| WE have to have a visitor worker arrangement but it should be contingent on changes within Mexico. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| The students are over-sensitive, and the school administration is simply pandering. |
(Bold mine)
Is this the word that you really wanted to use? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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