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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject: Kent State: Guard was ordered to kill |
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It has taken 40 years for evidence of this state-sanctioned murder to come out, and it is quite damning.
New analysis of 40-year-old recording of Kent State shootings reveals that Ohio Guard was given an order to prepare to fire
By John Mangels, The Plain Dealer
May 09, 2010, 4:26PM
The Ohio National Guardsmen who fired on students and antiwar protesters at Kent State University on May 4, 1970 were given an order to prepare to shoot, according to a new analysis of a 40-year-old audio tape of the event.
"Guard!" says a male voice on the recording, which two forensic audio experts enhanced and evaluated at the request of The Plain Dealer. Several seconds pass. Then, "All right, prepare to fire!"
"Get down!" someone shouts urgently, presumably in the crowd. Finally, "Guard! . . . " followed two seconds later by a long, booming volley of gunshots. The entire spoken sequence lasts 17 seconds.
The previously undetected command could begin to explain the central mystery of the Kent State tragedy - why 28 Guardsmen pivoted in unison atop Blanket Hill, raised their rifles and pistols and fired 67 times, killing four students and wounding nine others in an act that galvanized sentiment against the Vietnam War.
The order indicates that the gunshots were not spontaneous, or in response to sniper fire, as some have suggested over the years.
"I think this is a major development," said Alan Canfora, one of the wounded, who located a copy of the tape in a library archive in 2007 and has urged that it be professionally reviewed. "There's been a grave injustice for 40 years because we lacked sufficient evidence to prove what we've known all along - that the Ohio National Guard was commanded to kill at Kent State on May 4, 1970."
"How do you spell bombshell?" said Barry Levine, whose girlfriend Allison Krause was mortally wounded as he tried to pull her behind cover. "That is obviously very significant. The photographic evidence and eyewitness accounts of what took place seemed to suggest everything happened in those last seconds in a coordinated way. This would be the icing on the cake, so to speak."
The review was done by Stuart Allen and Tom Owen, two nationally respected forensic audio experts with decades of experience working with government and law enforcement agencies and private clients to decipher recorded information.
at link: more of article and mp3 excerpt from a copy of Terry Strubbe's Kent State recording which contains the order for the Guard to prepare to fire. The word "Guard!" can be heard at 9.3 seconds. "All right, prepare to fire" begins at 19.5 seconds. "Get down!" is spoken at 22.3 seconds. The final "Guard!" is at 23.7 seconds, and the gunshots begin at 26 seconds. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Its probably not that surprising.
I had a friend who once told me that my army in riot situations makes two squares. The outer square and the inner square, the outer square is unarmed, the inner square is armed with the first shot a blank and the rest live.
If the outer square wont hold then the senior sergent will ask the legal person standing next to him in the inner circle of the second square if they have the legal order to shoot.
Once he says 'yes', the order will be given for the first square to fall back then the blank shot will be fired. If the crowd doesn't move after that, then all live rounds will be used until order is restored.
Maybe, they felt threatened enough to use the live round? |
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thomas pars
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Of the four that we killed that day, only two were actually at the
Protest. Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder, had been walking from one class to the next at the time of their deaths. Schroeder has been
something like 300 feet from the actual protest. |
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Jeonmunka
Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:37 am Post subject: |
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M16s have an accurate range of 300 meters plus. 100 meters is almost point blank with those things. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Those hippies should have just gone to class like the other students |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:50 am Post subject: |
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djsmnc wrote: |
Those hippies should have just gone to class like the other students |
Now try reading for comprehension. Pay attention to the bolded words:
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Of the four that we killed that day, only two were actually at the Protest. Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder, had been walking from one class to the next at the time of their deaths. Schroeder has been something like 300 feet from the actual protest. |
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Jeonmunka
Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Curiosity killed the cats. ^ |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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M16s have an accurate range of 300 meters plus. 100 meters is almost point blank with those things |
+2
You fire it, and you hope you hit what you aimed at. If not, well that bullet could have gone anywhere. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Jeonmunka wrote: |
Curiosity killed the cats. ^ |
How do you know it was curiosity? Many a time I had to walk through the quad area at my university to get from one class to the other so I wouldn't be late for class. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:12 am Post subject: |
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CentralCali wrote: |
Jeonmunka wrote: |
Curiosity killed the cats. ^ |
How do you know it was curiosity? Many a time I had to walk through the quad area at my university to get from one class to the other so I wouldn't be late for class. |
I think he was being sarcastic there. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
CentralCali wrote: |
Jeonmunka wrote: |
Curiosity killed the cats. ^ |
How do you know it was curiosity? Many a time I had to walk through the quad area at my university to get from one class to the other so I wouldn't be late for class. |
I think he was being sarcastic there. |
Let's hope. |
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