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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Social workers produce a service. |
They are more like a band aid. A band aid for a wound that was originally (for the most part) inflicted by govt policies. For instance welfare dependency, unemployment, economic depressions, All these things lead to despondency and dissatisfaction with one's life which leads to the need for social workers in the first place.
So, yes. They do produce a service. But only in the sense that if I went out and smashed a heap of windows, I would be producing work for glaziers, but I wouldn't be improving the over all welfare of society. |
Yes because with no government there would be no unemployment or economic depressions, nor would there be any need for a social safety net of any sort. We would all enjoy full employment at $3/hr plus benefits. Except, of course, for The Elect, who it seems have all been exiled to South Korea to teach English.. |
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Zulethe
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| reactionary wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Social workers produce a service. |
They are more like a band aid. A band aid for a wound that was originally (for the most part) inflicted by govt policies. For instance welfare dependency, unemployment, economic depressions, All these things lead to despondency and dissatisfaction with one's life which leads to the need for social workers in the first place.
So, yes. They do produce a service. But only in the sense that if I went out and smashed a heap of windows, I would be producing work for glaziers, but I wouldn't be improving the over all welfare of society. |
Yes because with no government there would be no unemployment or economic depressions, nor would there be any need for a social safety net of any sort. We would all enjoy full employment at $3/hr plus benefits. Except, of course, for The Elect, who it seems have all been exiled to South Korea to teach English.. |
Not to get too off topic but social work is a vast field. There are hospital social workers working with families going through all types of trauma and grief...There are school social workers helping students set goals for the future.
Social worker work in human resource departments, the government etc...
One relegating social work to helping the poor and downtrodden of society shows how little one knows about the field.
I personally am going to counsel veterans suffering from PTSD from this shit of a war. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| reactionary wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Social workers produce a service. |
They are more like a band aid. A band aid for a wound that was originally (for the most part) inflicted by govt policies. For instance welfare dependency, unemployment, economic depressions, All these things lead to despondency and dissatisfaction with one's life which leads to the need for social workers in the first place.
So, yes. They do produce a service. But only in the sense that if I went out and smashed a heap of windows, I would be producing work for glaziers, but I wouldn't be improving the over all welfare of society. |
Yes because with no government there would be no unemployment or economic depressions, nor would there be any need for a social safety net of any sort. We would all enjoy full employment at $3/hr plus benefits. Except, of course, for The Elect, who it seems have all been exiled to South Korea to teach English.. |
Long and deep depressions like the one in the 30s and today are a govt invention, pure and simple.
The very notion of unemployment is absurd. There is more work to be done in the world than could ever be imagined. How does unemployment exist? The short answer is taxes and regulation. The long answer isn't coverable here.
You have no notion of what money is. $3 an hour was a good wage 100 years ago. Inflation eroded the value of the dollar. What is inflation? It's an expansion of the money supply. More money chasing the same a mount of goods and services. Who expands the money supply? The Fed/central bank. Therefore who causes inflation? Government.
I would happily take $3 an hour in an economy where the market was allowed to function. Everywhere the market is left as unencumbered as possible, prices tend towards zero. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Zulethe wrote: |
| reactionary wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Social workers produce a service. |
They are more like a band aid. A band aid for a wound that was originally (for the most part) inflicted by govt policies. For instance welfare dependency, unemployment, economic depressions, All these things lead to despondency and dissatisfaction with one's life which leads to the need for social workers in the first place.
So, yes. They do produce a service. But only in the sense that if I went out and smashed a heap of windows, I would be producing work for glaziers, but I wouldn't be improving the over all welfare of society. |
Yes because with no government there would be no unemployment or economic depressions, nor would there be any need for a social safety net of any sort. We would all enjoy full employment at $3/hr plus benefits. Except, of course, for The Elect, who it seems have all been exiled to South Korea to teach English.. |
Not to get too off topic but social work is a vast field. There are hospital social workers working with families going through all types of trauma and grief...There are school social workers helping students set goals for the future.
Social worker work in human resource departments, the government etc...
One relegating social work to helping the poor and downtrodden of society shows how little one knows about the field.
I personally am going to counsel veterans suffering from PTSD from this shit of a war. |
Fair enough.
Though once again, war vets with PTSD are another problem caused by govt actions. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Though once again, war vets with PTSD are another problem caused by govt actions. |
That may be so. I think we need to establish that government action is wrong, then. Are we saying that governments should not run wars, and that they should be privately run and financed? I realize Iraq was in some ways an unnecessary war, but I am speaking in principle.
These are awfully hard-hearted statements. If a child is being beaten by a parent, we shouldn't have social workers because if government worked differently, this situation wouldn't happen?
The problem overall with these statistics is that they only calculate wages for people who actually have jobs. I have a graduate degree in English. Statistically, university professors are fairly decently paid. In actuality, I would have been better off at 18 buying lottery tickets rather than trying to get a living, breathing job as one in north America. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| A college degree in the 70's meant something. Today, it doesn't mean squat. Too many student loan companies and banks making money for it to end anytime soon. Oh, and the infinite mantra of "a college degree is the only way to success" continues to fleece new generations of students. A vicious cycle. What are Bachelor degrees equal to today? High school diplomas, only a more expensive version. |
Only 27% of Americans have a bachelor's degree or higher. So, it really DOES mean a lot.
The difference in salary between a Bachelor's degree holder and someone with just a high school diploma is pretty significant.
A master's degree doesn't mean squat. Going from a high school diploma to bachelor's there is a large increase in median salary. Going form bachelor's to masters is a small increase. Going from Masters to Doctorate is a huge increase in median salary. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Though once again, war vets with PTSD are another problem caused by govt actions. |
That may be so. I think we need to establish that government action is wrong, then. Are we saying that governments should not run wars, and that they should be privately run and financed? I realize Iraq was in some ways an unnecessary war, but I am speaking in principle. |
War is an unnecessary waste. It NEVER needs to occur. Most wars happen between govts. Weak govts can't wage war as they don't have the finances.
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| These are awfully hard-hearted statements. If a child is being beaten by a parent, we shouldn't have social workers because if government worked differently, this situation wouldn't happen? |
The child must have aunts, uncles, neighbors, friends, teachers. A simple call to the police from one of those people would solve much of the problem.
Even with a massive "social work" bureaucracy, we still have bad stuff happening to kids. Part of the reason is people are more and more relying on the govt to take care of that stuff.
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| The problem overall with these statistics is that they only calculate wages for people who actually have jobs. I have a graduate degree in English. Statistically, university professors are fairly decently paid. In actuality, I would have been better off at 18 buying lottery tickets rather than trying to get a living, breathing job as one in north America. |
Or how about MA or PHDs working at Starbucks or BK? Or in South Korea? |
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SeoulnPepe
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Connections, networking, and who you know are how you can move into better paying or more rewarding jobs...that or go on your own (but that's not for everyone). |
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