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Survivor Heroes vs Villains
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't discredit Sandra so fast...

Yes, she has won in the past, but she's part of the game and a sure winner of votes at the end. Even coat-tailing may be called into question, but can you blame her? Even the most neutral country in a war between tribes stands to gain the most.

But the barb in my saddle is it's been too long people have ignored the most important player in Survivor: Jeff Probst.

The guy is a reporter. Practically a professionally journalist. His questions, may seem only harmless questions, but they guide the ebb and flow of an otherwise stagnant show. He's the kingpin via the producers. His questions are meant to cause doubt, insecurities, confusion, even pit one member or team against another. It's genious.( Like how I spelled it? [L. guardian spirit]ha!)

Sandra, shoot, she knows to never meet his gaze or attract his barborous questions. Keeps her head down with a firm grimace.

I wonder what the chances of survival in the past were based on the number of questions asked by Jeff were during tribal counsel? "Counsel"! Gotta love the irony...
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yeti08



Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Location: Anyang - Pyeongchon

PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ I have been saying this for awhile, nice job saying it by the way. Really.

He is Barbara Walters without the lisp. And yes how has his questions altered the outcome of the game? Danielle sure met her demise thanks largely to Mr. Probst, and thank-you by the way Jeff. She is awful. Not only are her boobs and lips fake and obnoxious, but she is pathetic.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am actualy doing a 180 on my lack of respect for Sandra and my respect for Russel.

I just read an article by a guy that wrote a book on Survivor Juries. He points out that the ENTIRE point of survivor is to win Jury votes ( good point when you think about it, and totaly true) and this is the one part of Russels game that he DOES NOT CARE ABOUT.

Oh sure hes had some brilliants strategies and epiphanies out there, but he has shown this seaon that he is quite fallable ( voting out Candice early, listening to Sandra about Coach ( but then not voting for him) playing an idol without needing it)

He treats everyone like dirt in both seasons, and does nothing to get people to like him. He makes too many moves and alienates people.

On the other hand, you have Sandra, does not do well at challenges ( no problem there, how did doing AWESOME at chalenges work out for Colby in Outback, or for Ozzy in Cook Islands?) BUt she does try to make a move when she can and at the exact right time.

Now a couple of her moves didn't work due to superior convincing on Russels part, but she has tried to make them, just as Russel has.

She is playing the game as best as she can with the deck she is given. GIven all of the dominant personalities she has had with her this season, the truly best thing she could have done was make an alliance with strong smarter people with bigger targets, and play passive so that the bold people would be gone, as the alphas will want to get rid of the other alphas.

And I mean, she has just sat back ( with the others) and quietly watched Russel self destruct all season, and if anything the fact that she was unable to vote off Russel with the Heroes is almost certainly going to work to her advantage. She will almost certainly make the final 3 with Russel, and likely Parvati, and slightly edge out Parvati while russel sucks up MAYBE one vote


She loses her entire alliance and still plays nice with people in her tribe, she doesn burn a bridge and flame on.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next Week very Simple Too ( or should I say SUnday)

Two more immunities

Immunity 1
Colby needs to win it or he goes home
Colby Wins, bye bye Jerri

Immunity 2
If its a Colby, Sandra, Parvati Russel,
Colby needs to win or hes going home, If Colby wins then It will be a tie vote for Russel and likely Parvati

If its 4 Villains then its likely gonna be Jerri going home 3 to 1
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going to have to mostly agree:

1. Colby will go.


2. Sandra will go. I think Parvati will want to go with Russell and Jerri, as she sees them as less popular than Sandra. She thinks she can beat Jerri and Russell in the final.


So Jerri, Russell, and Parvati go to the final 3. Jerri wins 5-3-1. Russell gets one vote from J.T. for outfoxing him.

My final predictions.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
I am going to have to mostly agree:

1. Colby will go.


2. Sandra will go. I think Parvati will want to go with Russell and Jerri, as she sees them as less popular than Sandra. She thinks she can beat Jerri and Russell in the final.


So Jerri, Russell, and Parvati go to the final 3. Jerri wins 5-3-1. Russell gets one vote from J.T. for outfoxing him.

My final predictions.


LOL, no way, Colby will be gone barring immunity win, then its all going to come down to who is likely to beat anyone on Jury Votes.

Parvati Knows that Either Sandra or Jerri wil get Jury Votes against her, and Sandra was useless at challenges and never made any moves to further her own game, Jerri actualy played and may garner some respect.

Ergo Parvati does not want Jerri next to her

Sandra knows that Russel is hated so is not likely to get votes, and Parvati is not WELL Liked, Jerri on the other hand is well liked by many on the jury, and other than a bitter courtney and danielle is likely to have the resepct of many on the Jury.

Plus neither of them really played the game all that hard, and Jerri actually made more moves than her that got her further. Sandra will fear that and not want Jerri, as she can likely beat Parvati.

Russel thinks that he can beat anyone and so hes not gonna really be objective about this. He is still gonna think that everyone else is playing for second. Regardless he knows that many people think that Sandra is useless at challanges, never had a single strategy that worked, and was only that far based on HIS will and good grace, he is not gonna think she is a threat, and his Tribal council speech wil reflect this.

Ergo he will want Sandra in the Final 3 and NOT Jerri.

Now theres a CHANCE that I am wrong and one person will switch the vote and there will be a tie, but Sandra strikes me as the type that would know how to make a fire over any of the other 3

So again, MY prediction, FInal 3 of Sandra Parvati, and Russel,

Votes will go down 6-3 ( possibly 5-4) for Sandra
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus when Jeri didnt pick Russel he all but said that Jerri is gone, he's gonna cut off his nose to spite his face and vote her off.
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm kinda hoping Parvati wins, and it's in her best interest she brings Sandra and Russell to the end if she can.
Sandra has already won a million if I'm not wrong, and so has Parvati. The jury probably won't give the votes to Russell, so Parvati can use Sandra's previous winning as leverage to give her the million again, that she is just as deserving to win twice.

Jerri really hasn't made any moves this season besides sucking up to Russell and staying on the down low. Sandra has played a good game though too; she is as deserving to win as Parvati, imo.

The best thing any of them can do is vote off Colby asap.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jane wrote:
I'm kinda hoping Parvati wins, and it's in her best interest she brings Sandra and Russell to the end if she can.
Sandra has already won a million if I'm not wrong, and so has Parvati. The jury probably won't give the votes to Russell, so Parvati can use Sandra's previous winning as leverage to give her the million again, that she is just as deserving to win twice.

Jerri really hasn't made any moves this season besides sucking up to Russell and staying on the down low. Sandra has played a good game though too; she is as deserving to win as Parvati, imo.

The best thing any of them can do is vote off Colby asap.


Um jerri did not CREATE her own moves but she most certainly made some.

She flipped on Rob, she helped get rid of Candice, and she got rid of Danielle.

We also don't see all of her screen time, especially if the producers know she doesnt make the final. Thats actually how I am SURE she doesnt make the final, we see very little of her behind the scenes.

The edits make it CLEAR that its gonna be a Sandra, Russel, Parvati Final.
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, let's analyze each jury member's expected vote:

This is my prediction, since I expect a Russell/Parvati/Jerri finish

JT: Russell
Rupert: Jerri
Amanda: Parvati
Danielle: Parvati
Candace: Jerri
Courtney: Jerri
Coach: Jerri
2 more
(Sandra): Parvati
(Colby): Jerri

My 2 predictions there. That would make Jerri the winner at 5-3-1.

If it is Sandra instead of Jerri, it'll be tight between Parvati and Sandra. Maybe Parvati 5-3-1.
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulio wrote:
Jane wrote:
I'm kinda hoping Parvati wins, and it's in her best interest she brings Sandra and Russell to the end if she can.
Sandra has already won a million if I'm not wrong, and so has Parvati. The jury probably won't give the votes to Russell, so Parvati can use Sandra's previous winning as leverage to give her the million again, that she is just as deserving to win twice.

Jerri really hasn't made any moves this season besides sucking up to Russell and staying on the down low. Sandra has played a good game though too; she is as deserving to win as Parvati, imo.

The best thing any of them can do is vote off Colby asap.


Um jerri did not CREATE her own moves but she most certainly made some.

She flipped on Rob, she helped get rid of Candice, and she got rid of Danielle.

We also don't see all of her screen time, especially if the producers know she doesnt make the final. Thats actually how I am SURE she doesnt make the final, we see very little of her behind the scenes.

The edits make it CLEAR that its gonna be a Sandra, Russel, Parvati Final.


The only move Jerri made the whole season is switch alliance. Once under Russell's wing, she did as she was told.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jane - Um, no

Jerri Switched alliances AND brought Coach with her because he figured loyalty was higher than honor. Coach could have SAVED Rob, or at least forced a tie, but he made a throw away vote for Courtney cementing Robs Fate.

Jerri Helped to get out Candice, and Jerri helped to break up Danielle.

Jerri could have been making other moves as well, but since we can figure out based on screentime that its going to be a Russel/Parvati/Sandra final, we don't get to see it.

The point is that Jerri has made moves when she needed to and they have worked out ( at least til she gets to final 4 then shes gone)

Sandra has tried to make moves and FAILED, been brought to the final 3 based solely on a numbers game ( ie they had to fry the hero's) she has tried to vote out russel KNOWING That hes dead for votes in a final vote.


Oh and Bohol Driver this is my prediction, since its going to be a Russel/Parvati/Sandra final 3

Okay, let's analyze each jury member's expected vote:

This is my prediction, since I expect a Russell/Parvati/Jerri finish

JT: Sandra ( she tried to warn them about Russel)
Rupert: Sandra ( duh)
Amanda: Parvati ( past freindship/respect of the moves she made)
Danielle: Parvati ( duh)
Candace: Sandra ( ???)
Courtney: Sandra ( duh)
Coach: Sandra ( most honorable)
Jerri: Parvati ( Saved her ass at the merge, gave her a fighting chance)
Colby: Sandra

6-3, Russel will get zero votes. I actually think that the vote may be 5-4. Candace is just as likely to vote for Parvati in my opinion.

As for everyone else, barring an excellent twist at Tribal council I am fairly confident that every vote will go down as I have stated.
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding ^^^

Seoulio, I think you give Jerri too much credit.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How so.

In the very post you copied I said that she didn't CREATE her own moves, but she decided to make moves that suited her needs bettter.

I am giving her next to no credit, but she has more credit than say Sandra whose moves have never worked out.

Where as Russel has pretty much controlled every move that the game has had, and stoped other peoples plans from coming to pass.

yet his social game sucks
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have more respect for Sandra's game, because she actually played the game. Jerri has played a passive game and has let other people dish out the big moves.

Just last week, there was a scene when the girls were talking to Jerri, and they were telling her who to vote for. She was acting like she really didn't know what was going on and had to be brought up to speed on the latest developments.

In any case, it really doesn't matter because it's all opinion and speculation anyway from the edits that we see.
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