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I made more money in 2005 than now
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youtuber



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:45 am    Post subject: I made more money in 2005 than now Reply with quote

Average wage in 2005 was about 2 million.

Average wage now is about 2.3 million.


Back in 2005, 2 million was about $2350 CAD.

Now, 2.3 million works out to about $2100 CAD.


The combination of stagnant wages and horrible exchange rate means the average teacher is earning less than 5 years ago.

Awesome.

Have you started planning your exit? I have.
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charger



Joined: 24 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a Canadian your situation is pretty anomolous; most currencies have devalued in the recession but the Canadian and Australian dollar have not devalued.

Hopefully the housing market will tank and we will see the Canadian dollar tank as a result. That's what I'm counting on.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was gone when Busan public schools cut my extra pay for camps and after school classes from about 10M per year to about 2M per year.
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soviet_man



Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The combination of stagnant wages and horrible exchange rate means the average teacher is earning less than 5 years ago.



Pretty much agree. Things were better 5 years ago financially. We did not know it at the time.
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Sody



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yuppers. The problem is threefold. Salaries remain the same for most teachers, inflation and recession. Or what is the economy like in Korea now a days? Is it still really bad?

I have met so many smart and qualified teachers in Korea who stay for too long. They make excuses like they can't get into another field or find a job back home. What they and many people on this forum need is a good shot of enthusiasm and confidence. Go get a masters degree or go to college and upgrade. Don't stay in Korea, you are just dying slowly.

Let's suppose that you manage to save 15 million won a year. I think that's a reasonable and manageable estimate for most. Or let's suppose a thrifty teacher is able to save 20 mil a year. If you stay for 2 years you aren't taking anywhere near 40 mil home after the exchange and inflation. You have no reliable work history or experience that will help you advance in a career back home. You lose more and more the longer you stay.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made more money as a journalist back home in 2001 than I have any time in over seven years in Korea.

There's more to life than counting money.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck getting a job back in Canada. While the dollar has gotten stronger, the job situation is still bleak, especially in former manufacturing centers such as Ontario.

Thinking of becoming a teacher? A recent report just announced that in the next 10 years they expect 500,000 LESS students. That means a lot of teaching jobs are going to vanish.

I made more in 2006 than I do now. However, I make more now than I was making in Canada and I save WAY more than I was saving in Canada. So it is all perspective, isn't it?
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a talking dog who could totally rectify this situation...
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true! I know exactly what you mean. But let's also factor that Canadians have seen rising gas prices + ever increasing expenses / taxes (HST now in British Columbia) and wages haven't gone up since... like the 70s or something? Yet rent, housing prices, etc, have all skyrocketed. The house my parents built in 1983 was worth less than $100,000, we sold it for five times that, and now it's worth $1 million! Yikes. I'll never be able to afford that...

So we're all in the same boat. Actually, I believe I'm better off here than many of my friends back home since I'm able to save a decent amount, live a nice lifestyle, and work a job I love and have other jobs to go to if I wish.

The world simply has too many people and ever-depleting resources. I wouldn't expect an economic miracle like the 90s again, not for a while anyhow. I think we've got to learn to scrape by like many generations before us did. The times of plenty are over. The times of kids in Canada moving out at age 19 are over too, I've been hearing... it just doesn't work out economically anymore.

And the good times in Korea are over too. Won is down, now it's getting more competitive, many F visas getting the better jobs, and the nation's English level is getting to the level where in 10 years they won't need to hire foreigner teachers as often since there will be so many residents who speak almost perfect English. Even at my high school, there's been an influx of younger Korean teachers who speak pretty much perfect English.

So, let's not get too down here! It's better here than many other places... even though on the news I hear how "great" the Canadian economy is, the simple facts are that good, decent jobs (that are actually fun and enjoyable and with decent pay) are getting harder to come by and more competitive every day.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things do seem to get increasingly difficult with economics during this past decade. It hurts.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
Good luck getting a job back in Canada.


The top ten workers most in-demand by country are:

Canada

1. Skilled Manual Trades (primarily carpenters/jointers, welders or electricians)
2. Sales Representatives
3. Engineers
4. Accounting & Finance Staff
5. Labourers
6. Nurses
7. Teachers
8. Drivers
9. Machinists/Machine Operators
10. Secretaries, PAs, Administrative Assistants & Office Support Staff

http://www.byebyeblighty.com/1/2008-in-demand-jobs-revealed/
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Bramble



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I made more, but I definitely saved a lot more because the cost of living is so much higher.
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tigershark



Joined: 13 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to be a teacher in Canada, the next 5 years is the time to do it. With the emergence of All-day kindergarten many positions will become available. That is all.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about in the U.S.?

Quote:
One of the fastest moving industries, teaching jobs are expected to grow by 32.5% through 2014.


http://jobs.aol.com/teaching-jobs

Quote:
Teachers showed up as No. 2 on the Manpower Talent shortage survey. There's a huge demand for teachers, particularly in science and math, as public school teachers who entered the profession in the 1960s and 1970s retire and the new-teacher dropout rate hovers near 50 percent.

Alternative certification programs are helping to speed up the process of becoming a teacher but the supply isn't keeping up with demand. Salary.com projects a 14 percent growth in teaching jobs over the next 10 years.


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/03/pf/popular_jobs.moneymag/index.htm

http://choosing-careers.suite101.com/article.cfm/esl-in-the-united-states

http://esl.about.com/library/weekly/aa080602a.htm

People reading this board shouldn't think that it is impossible to get a teaching job back home. That simply isn't true.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Mr. Pink wrote:
Good luck getting a job back in Canada.


The top ten workers most in-demand by country are:

Canada

1. Skilled Manual Trades (primarily carpenters/jointers, welders or electricians)
2. Sales Representatives
3. Engineers
4. Accounting & Finance Staff
5. Labourers
6. Nurses
7. Teachers
8. Drivers
9. Machinists/Machine Operators
10. Secretaries, PAs, Administrative Assistants & Office Support Staff

http://www.byebyeblighty.com/1/2008-in-demand-jobs-revealed/


That was in 2008 and probably before the economic crisis hit full force.
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