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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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| chellovek wrote: |
| Concerned by taxes on tea are they not? |
lol
While I don't agree with their sollutions and beleive that their sollutions would do even more harm to America. I know why they are mad. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| chellovek wrote: |
| Concerned by taxes on tea are they not? |
lol
While I don't agree with their sollutions and beleive that their sollutions would do even more harm to America. I know why they are mad. |
Hehe so do I 
Just pootling about on the internet I was |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| stilicho25 wrote: |
| Or they might be angry at high unemployment, a labour market saturated with people who should not actually be there, and a government eager to help bankers get away with financial fraud? |
That's all well and good, but where were they during the Bush years when all things things existed alongside a mismanaged war (well, warS) that ate up tax dollars by the billions? Where were they during the Reagan administration when taxes were at almost the same levels? Why is it only Democrat offices, senators, workers and activists being targeted and not Republican? Let's stop pretending this has any grounding in actual issues. I mean, do these people even understand the original Tea Party? Sorry, losing an election isn't the same as living under tyranny. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Originally the tea party was about healthcare and taxes. It had nothing to do with race. It was about small government. but it started drawing in anti Obama ites and many of them were acting out of racial predjudice. Now the Palin forces have seized the movement. |
Can we also stop pretending that Republicans/Tea Baggers want small government. Republicans/Tea Baggers want the government to control a woman's reproductive system. They want the gov't to stop two dudes/chicks from spending their lives together. They want them to fund a huge wasteful military complex that flexes it's muscles where they don't belong. They want the gov't to round up brown people and send them home. They want the gov't to build and maintain roads, bridges and other infrastructure. They want the gov't to fund and arm a police force whose job it is to protect the assets of the wealthy against the needy. So, really, it's not that they want small government. They just want the government to do what they want. Which is fine, I just hate when the discussion gets framed like that. In fact, Republicans/Tea Baggers are the ones who advocate gov't enforcement of morality (abortion, prostitution, drugs, gay marriage, gambling, and many many more). But any time someone speaks of the government enforcing something they like (guns, education, health care, etc.) suddenly it's Big Brother trying to control their lives again. That's why these guys weren't protesting Bush. Not because he had small government, but because he had government' doing what they agreed with. It's not some fundamental ideological difference here, it's a case by case specific issue problem wrapped up in some misunderstanding of a historical event. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
| Originally the tea party was about healthcare and taxes. It had nothing to do with race. It was about small government. but it started drawing in anti Obama ites and many of them were acting out of racial predjudice. Now the Palin forces have seized the movement. |
Can we also stop pretending that Republicans/Tea Baggers want small government. Republicans/Tea Baggers want the government to control a woman's reproductive system. They want the gov't to stop two dudes/chicks from spending their lives together. They want them to fund a huge wasteful military complex that flexes it's muscles where they don't belong. They want the gov't to round up brown people and send them home. They want the gov't to build and maintain roads, bridges and other infrastructure. They want the gov't to fund and arm a police force whose job it is to protect the assets of the wealthy against the needy. So, really, it's not that they want small government. They just want the government to do what they want. Which is fine, I just hate when the discussion gets framed like that. In fact, Republicans/Tea Baggers are the ones who advocate gov't enforcement of morality (abortion, prostitution, drugs, gay marriage, gambling, and many many more). But any time someone speaks of the government enforcing something they like (guns, education, health care, etc.) suddenly it's Big Brother trying to control their lives again. That's why these guys weren't protesting Bush. Not because he had small government, but because he had government' doing what they agreed with. It's not some fundamental ideological difference here, it's a case by case specific issue problem wrapped up in some misunderstanding of a historical event. |
umm no. Your first rebuttal was great, this one however is not. I don't think the tea party people really care about a lot of the crap you mention above. Or if they do care, they don't have a united voice on a number of those issues (such as abortion, drugs, etc). Many are libertarian. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Michigan Democratic Party Said to be Behind Attempt to Qualify a Tea Party for Michigan Ballot
May 17th, 2010
According to this story, a petition is circulating to qualify the Tea Party for the Michigan ballot. However, the story also says that the same petitioning company that is circulating this petition has worked in the past for the Democratic Party. The story does not interview any leader of the drive to qualify the party, so it is difficult to know. In most states, a petition to qualify a new party must contain the name and contact information for at least one officer of the proposed new party. Unfortunately, Michigan petitions do not do that. The petition has a postal address but no names of party officers. The address appears to be P.O. Box 23, Richville, Michigan. Richville is in the �thumb� area of the Michigan �hand�, east of Saginaw.
Even if the party gets on the ballot, if it doesn�t hold a state convention and nominate candidates, the effect of the petition would be nil. Thanks to Mike Feinstein for the link.
In 2004, Colorado Democrats paid to ballot-qualify two new parties for the ballot, the Gun Owners Rights Party, and the Pro Life Party.
As in Michigan, new qualified parties in Colorado nominate by convention. Even though the two parties qualified in Colorado, they never called any convention and never nominated any candidates. After the 2004 and 2006 elections were over, the two parties were removed from the ballot for having failed both the vote test and the alternate registration test.
http://www.ballot-access.org/2010/05/17/michigan-democratic-party-said-to-be-behind-attempt-to-qualify-a-tea-party-for-michigan-ballot/ |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Gun rights??? Rick Santelli an analyst for Cnbc in a famous live rant stated that their needed to be a tea party in the 21st century and that people needed to get control of the government. he directed this at taxes and the coziness of politicians and wall strert!! The Palinistas have seized this movement and now it is all over the place. Gun rights , gay marriage, etc. It is a magnet for moonbats! Libertarians have been left with no place to go. Dr . Paul has been marganalized. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Gun rights??? Rick Santelli an analyst for Cnbc in a famous live rant stated that their needed to be a tea party in the 21st century and that people needed to get control of the government. he directed this at taxes and the coziness of politicians and wall strert!! The Palinistas have seized this movement and now it is all over the place. Gun rights , gay marriage, etc. It is a magnet for moonbats! Libertarians have been left with no place to go. Dr . Paul has been marganalized. |
Eh, fella, I think you missed the point. 
The Democratic party was registering parties of grass movements in 2004 in order to fragment the Republican voting block. They're attempting the same today.
And don't dis moonbats. What, just because we don't breath air we're some kind of freaks?
You sir are hateful and belligerent!  |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| The Palinistas have seized this movement and now it is all over the place. Gun rights , gay marriage, etc. It is a magnet for moonbats! |
Moonbats? Is this 2004 all over again? Joo, is that you? |
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thomas pars
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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In April 2009, Garofalo drew criticism when she denounced the Tea Party protests, saying:
"Let's be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. It's about hating a black man in the White House. That is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks.[16] �
In response to the controversy Garofalo has continued to criticize Tea Party protesters, and has been reported to open her shows with "If there's any tea baggers here, welcome, and as always, white power."[17] |
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thomas pars
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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In April 2009, Garofalo drew criticism when she denounced the Tea Party protests, saying:
"Let's be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. It's about hating a black man in the White House. That is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks.[16] �
In response to the controversy Garofalo has continued to criticize Tea Party protesters, and has been reported to open her shows with "If there's any tea baggers here, welcome, and as always, white power."[17] |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
| Originally the tea party was about healthcare and taxes. It had nothing to do with race. It was about small government. but it started drawing in anti Obama ites and many of them were acting out of racial predjudice. Now the Palin forces have seized the movement. |
Can we also stop pretending that Republicans/Tea Baggers want small government. Republicans/Tea Baggers want the government to control a woman's reproductive system. They want the gov't to stop two dudes/chicks from spending their lives together. They want them to fund a huge wasteful military complex that flexes it's muscles where they don't belong. They want the gov't to round up brown people and send them home. They want the gov't to build and maintain roads, bridges and other infrastructure. They want the gov't to fund and arm a police force whose job it is to protect the assets of the wealthy against the needy. So, really, it's not that they want small government. They just want the government to do what they want. Which is fine, I just hate when the discussion gets framed like that. In fact, Republicans/Tea Baggers are the ones who advocate gov't enforcement of morality (abortion, prostitution, drugs, gay marriage, gambling, and many many more). But any time someone speaks of the government enforcing something they like (guns, education, health care, etc.) suddenly it's Big Brother trying to control their lives again. That's why these guys weren't protesting Bush. Not because he had small government, but because he had government' doing what they agreed with. It's not some fundamental ideological difference here, it's a case by case specific issue problem wrapped up in some misunderstanding of a historical event. |
umm no. Your first rebuttal was great, this one however is not. I don't think the tea party people really care about a lot of the crap you mention above. Or if they do care, they don't have a united voice on a number of those issues (such as abortion, drugs, etc). Many are libertarian. |
I was responding to someone else who said the movement started off as movement for lower taxes and smaller government. I said that while those people and the media like to frame it that way, it was never actually about lower taxes and especially not smaller government. It was a loud minority who was angry they lost the election. Whatever it is now, a loose connection of very confused and irate people I guess, is something else. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| thomas pars wrote: |
In April 2009, Garofalo drew criticism when she denounced the Tea Party protests, saying:
"Let's be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. It's about hating a black man in the White House. That is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks.[16] �
In response to the controversy Garofalo has continued to criticize Tea Party protesters, and has been reported to open her shows with "If there's any tea baggers here, welcome, and as always, white power."[17] |
If the only tool you have is a hammer every problem will look like a nail. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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According to this, the original tea party was more of a rebellion against big business than a rebellion against big government:
"The real Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the BEIC pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America."
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/15-10 |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
According to this, the original tea party was more of a rebellion against big business than a rebellion against big government:
"The real Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the BEIC pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America."
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/15-10 |
There may be some merit to this, as prior to the original tea party most taxes against the individual colonist had all ready been repealed. The large international trade companies were a problem for colonists who wanted to break into the Triangle Trade.
Ironic that the tea partiers may have more in common with the original in Boston than they may know. |
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