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Jimskins
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Capo
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Britain doesn't like coalition governments, but the current situation has the potential to a do a lot of good for British politics and the country as a whole. |
It's about time we joined 'real Europe'. Hopefully the next step will be to join the Euro zone (the idea of holding onto the � is just for old fogies and racists, LOL).
Is anyone else already getting fed up of all the lib and lab 'protesters' who have coined the name: Con-Dem (n) *groans*
It's time to move on and give the new government a chance. Nu-Labour did nothing but **** things up anyway with their mostly Conservative policies. |
You gotta be kidding, Greece in sinking precisely because they are in the euro an are unable to devalue their currency to deal with their fiscal crisis.
I voted the UKIP because I want Britain to leave the EU, political union is not what we signed up for, especially one that is more currupt and less deomcratic than our own! The European project is only meant to be a free trade area....If France, Germany etc. want to make themselves less compeititve by having the EU with its rules and institutions let them have it. We need to join the likes of Norway and Switzerland that have a free trade agreement, but full national control over their laws and how their taxes are collected and spent. |
I'm pretty sure the European project as we know it started out from the get-go with the explicit aim of "Ever closer and deeper union". Everyone should've known this was what we were getting ourselves into when we joined. Hell, I thought the whole reason that from the 1960s onwards when MacMillan wanted us to join was because inside the then EEC we could see our neighbours actually making something of themselves.
I also thought Switzerland's success is because of their secretive banking ("Swiss bank accounts" etc), and I thought Norway refused to join because of the fisheries policy. Norway subsequently became wealthier because unlike the UK they actually seem to have saved their portion of the proceeds from North Sea Oil instead of spending it on tax cuts or whatever. As such, I'm not convinced that the UK pulling out and having FT agreement with the EU will necessarily make us as prosperous as those two countries, because the causes of their prosperity is not due to being outside the EU, except in the case of Switzerland because EU rules would force them to disclose more information about the Swiss bank accounts and what have you. However the savings through the UK being a net-contributor (I believe) to EU would be welcome for the public finances.
I quite liked Farage for shaking things up a bit but I find the whole UKIP worldview very simplistic. EU = BAAAAAD. There's more to it than that. |
I might agree with leaving Europe altogether if we werent completely screwed over financially. From the sounds of it we might need the support that can be offered.
Also Id think it were a good idea if British people were willing to accept that the Empires gone, we are a medium sized European country that doesnt manufacture anything anymore, is fast running out of the little oil we have left and has traded on little but imaginary credit money for the last 20 years.
How the hell would we support a nation of avid-consumerists and career jobseekers?
If the Daily Mail readers want to revert back to a more self-sufficient state of affairs they might well have to give up their high defs and move to somewhere near an allotment. When they see the inevitable drop in living-standards they may want to take advantage of the visa-free situation to bugger off to the Costa Del Sol.
Finally, and this may sound paranoid, but a European super state would come in handy if a big war ever kicked off again! |
End of our empire was a while ago be we got conquered by Germany in the even though we won WW2, Germany and to a lesser extent France run the show in Europe just look at the whole bailout for Greece was managed...it could only be agreed after Germany had their election, costing everyone else billions while Merkel was trying to gain a few extra seats which she lost anyway.
And if you think we are going to get bailout out think again, if any of the eurozone states default it is us who pick up 10% of the bill and this was agreed even without our involvement.
And to chellovek I challenge you to find any holes in what Nigel Farage has said in the last few years, I will happily debate them with you. He is the only politician I have any trust in these days, glad he survived that plane crash. And to anyone else I recommend you do a search for him on youtube and see for you self if what this guys says makes sense. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Capo wrote: |
| rusty1983 wrote: |
| chellovek wrote: |
| Capo wrote: |
| Depths of My Soul wrote: |
| Jimskins wrote: |
Britain doesn't like coalition governments, but the current situation has the potential to a do a lot of good for British politics and the country as a whole. |
It's about time we joined 'real Europe'. Hopefully the next step will be to join the Euro zone (the idea of holding onto the � is just for old fogies and racists, LOL).
Is anyone else already getting fed up of all the lib and lab 'protesters' who have coined the name: Con-Dem (n) *groans*
It's time to move on and give the new government a chance. Nu-Labour did nothing but **** things up anyway with their mostly Conservative policies. |
You gotta be kidding, Greece in sinking precisely because they are in the euro an are unable to devalue their currency to deal with their fiscal crisis.
I voted the UKIP because I want Britain to leave the EU, political union is not what we signed up for, especially one that is more currupt and less deomcratic than our own! The European project is only meant to be a free trade area....If France, Germany etc. want to make themselves less compeititve by having the EU with its rules and institutions let them have it. We need to join the likes of Norway and Switzerland that have a free trade agreement, but full national control over their laws and how their taxes are collected and spent. |
I'm pretty sure the European project as we know it started out from the get-go with the explicit aim of "Ever closer and deeper union". Everyone should've known this was what we were getting ourselves into when we joined. Hell, I thought the whole reason that from the 1960s onwards when MacMillan wanted us to join was because inside the then EEC we could see our neighbours actually making something of themselves.
I also thought Switzerland's success is because of their secretive banking ("Swiss bank accounts" etc), and I thought Norway refused to join because of the fisheries policy. Norway subsequently became wealthier because unlike the UK they actually seem to have saved their portion of the proceeds from North Sea Oil instead of spending it on tax cuts or whatever. As such, I'm not convinced that the UK pulling out and having FT agreement with the EU will necessarily make us as prosperous as those two countries, because the causes of their prosperity is not due to being outside the EU, except in the case of Switzerland because EU rules would force them to disclose more information about the Swiss bank accounts and what have you. However the savings through the UK being a net-contributor (I believe) to EU would be welcome for the public finances.
I quite liked Farage for shaking things up a bit but I find the whole UKIP worldview very simplistic. EU = BAAAAAD. There's more to it than that. |
I might agree with leaving Europe altogether if we werent completely screwed over financially. From the sounds of it we might need the support that can be offered.
Also Id think it were a good idea if British people were willing to accept that the Empires gone, we are a medium sized European country that doesnt manufacture anything anymore, is fast running out of the little oil we have left and has traded on little but imaginary credit money for the last 20 years.
How the hell would we support a nation of avid-consumerists and career jobseekers?
If the Daily Mail readers want to revert back to a more self-sufficient state of affairs they might well have to give up their high defs and move to somewhere near an allotment. When they see the inevitable drop in living-standards they may want to take advantage of the visa-free situation to bugger off to the Costa Del Sol.
Finally, and this may sound paranoid, but a European super state would come in handy if a big war ever kicked off again! |
End of our empire was a while ago be we got conquered by Germany in the even though we won WW2, Germany and to a lesser extent France run the show in Europe just look at the whole bailout for Greece was managed...it could only be agreed after Germany had their election, costing everyone else billions while Merkel was trying to gain a few extra seats which she lost anyway.
And if you think we are going to get bailout out think again, if any of the eurozone states default it is us who pick up 10% of the bill and this was agreed even without our involvement.
And to chellovek I challenge you to find any holes in what Nigel Farage has said in the last few years, I will happily debate them with you. He is the only politician I have any trust in these days, glad he survived that plane crash. And to anyone else I recommend you do a search for him on youtube and see for you self if what this guys says makes sense. |
I'm no blindly pro-EU type (I've met some of the people they employ, and those people made my heart sink), but I'm pretty sceptical about pulling out of the EU as being a means to improving the situation. This whole 'look at Norway and Switzerland' thing reminds me of Alex Salmond and the 'Celtic Arc of prosperity 'of Ireland, Iceland, and Scandinavia. A total farce in light of subsequent events since two of them are now trooping through even harder times than us. I think this in the sense that in the reasons for their (Nor and Swtz) prosperity the EU is largely beside the point. They are not prosperous because they're outside the EU, and also leaving the EU won't make us more prosperous, but it will lose us influence in Europe. I guess what I'm saying is that I think to leave will lose us more than we'll gain.
I agree with you that the savings on EU contributions would be welcome, and I also doubt that if things truly go south the EU will bail us out.
I also wonder where else we'd go? I like the Americans, but they don't need us in the slightest. Is standing alone as a mid-sized country of 60-65mln in a world increasingly dominated by large countries wise? At least in the EU we're in a bloc of about 500mln people, and have a say in the largest free-trade area in the world.
Ach, I'm sorry I've had some booze man. I'll conclude by saying "better to be inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in". |
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Capo
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We do we need to influence Europe? Do we even have any influence? Are our interests that similar? Europe is hell bent on killing our financial industry - exporting it to New York, Switzerland, Canary Islands and Hong Kong. Finance is the biggest industry in the UK.
We are still apparently the 5th biggest manufacturer in the world for those who say we don't have any left. With the right regulatory environment and corporate tax system we could maintain this position for longer, but we will inevitably go down that scale.
Do forget we also have one great advantage over the Europeans and that is our language, which makes a favourable place for companies to have their European offices.
Europe is too keen on carbon trading for my liking, which leads to offsetting which basically exports European wealth to business men in India et. al to make improvements to their power plants they would have probably done themselves anyway, but now they make more money. Sometimes they don't even make any carbon reductions. And that is not getting onto the fact that global warming is a farce used to tax us more and wear us down. No one can deny pollutions is a bad thing that should be controlled, however Co2 isn't evil gas we all hear about it is what makes plants grow. Besides the world hasn't been warming in the last decade the media has been trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
Europe is too keen on socialism, which makes Europeans lazy in an increasingly competitive world. The stock markets know this which is why even at the height of the boom our stock markets were still worth less than a decade before. While emerging markets have gone up by multiples.
Europe is also too keen on red tape and regulation which drives up the costs for our businesses.
They also never do anything about unions. They are killing our companies, they killed our motor industry and many others, right now they are having a go at BA. If you don't like your job quit there are plenty of other people to take your place, if your employer is acting illegally take them to court, otherwise just get on with it. Unions need to be outlawed. Unions are also the major obstacle to reforming the bloated public sector - is it fair they get to retire 5 years earlier than private sector on final salary pensions, which are unavailable in the private sector? These days the tend to earn higher wages too.
The only good thing I have got to say about Europe is its good at selling luxury goods, culture rich, cheap air travel and many tourist attractions in close proximity to each other. |
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