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710



Joined: 05 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:51 am    Post subject: Options with a low GPA? Reply with quote

Hey, I just got rejected from EPIK for having a low GPA (2.3)

I spent two of my six years at my university figuring out what I wanted to do and unfortunately in the process earned a lower GPA. My recruiter is going to try GEPIK but says they are competitive as well... Any other options you think I should try? Thanks...
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curiousaboutkorea



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: Options with a low GPA? Reply with quote

710 wrote:
I spent two of my six years at my university figuring out what I wanted to do and unfortunately in the process earned a lower GPA.


I know I'm not helping, but I can't help myself. Isn't the only reason one can have a low GPA is poor grades?
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710



Joined: 05 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Options with a low GPA? Reply with quote

curiousaboutkorea wrote:
710 wrote:
I spent two of my six years at my university figuring out what I wanted to do and unfortunately in the process earned a lower GPA.


I know I'm not helping, but I can't help myself. Isn't the only reason one can have a low GPA is poor grades?


Exactly, my situation is that I didn�t know what I wanted to do and so spent two years trying different things that I ended up not liking or being too good at... Once I found my niche, I was good to go... Glad you got a laugh at my expense... Wink
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g35doc



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about a hagwon position? Just leave out or "fudge" your GPA on your resume.
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Steve_Rogers2008



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't blame a low gpa on not knowing what you wanted to do. Lots of people with high gpa's are in the same boat.

sometimes its worse to know what you want to do. "The more you know, the more you find you don't know."
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710



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve_Rogers2008 wrote:
Don't blame a low gpa on not knowing what you wanted to do. Lots of people with high gpa's are in the same boat.

sometimes its worse to know what you want to do. "The more you know, the more you find you don't know."


Okay, I can appreciate your point of view... My point is that for a long time, I was unmotivated in my studies because I was trying things that did not suit me. Once I found what was right for me, I was motivated and got good grades. By then my GPA was already harmed by my earlier struggle...

Thanks for your input though...
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710



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

g35doc wrote:
What about a hagwon position? Just leave out or "fudge" your GPA on your resume.


I�m not trying to misrepresent myself but I�ll look into the private sector, thanks...
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madoka



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

g35doc wrote:
What about a hagwon position? Just leave out or "fudge" your GPA on your resume.


I hope you are okay with your teachers or your children's teachers "fudging" their qualifications. Rolling Eyes
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madoka



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy is facing up to 50 years in prison for "fudging" his college application. Laughing

On paper, Adam Wheeler had undeniably strong credentials to get into Harvard: a perfect SAT score, straight A's at a prestigious prep school and glowing recommendations from four professors at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

While at Harvard, Wheeler seemed a shoo-in for a Rhodes or Fulbright scholarship. His applications included his Harvard transcript, which also featured all A's, as well as a list of books he had co-written, courses he had taught and lectures he had given.

But authorities say it was all a big con.

In fact, Wheeler had never attended the exclusive Phillips Academy prep school in Andover or MIT. And his academic record at Harvard was far less dazzling than he claimed. Instead of straight A's, Wheeler had received some A's, a few B's and a D. His SAT scores were also much less impressive: 1160 and 1220, not the perfect 1600 he had claimed, according to court documents.

Wheeler, 23, of Milton, Del., was ordered held on $5,000 bail Tuesday after pleading not guilty to 20 counts of larceny, identity fraud and other charges. If he posts bail, he must stay away from Harvard and the other academic institutions involved in his alleged scheme, surrender his passport and remain in Massachusetts, a Middlesex Superior Court judge said.

Wheeler was tossed from Harvard last fall after he tried to get the school's endorsement for Rhodes and Fulbright scholarships, and a professor reviewing his applications found evidence he had plagiarized from another professor, prosecutors say. Wheeler's parents gave him up to a Yale official who called to ask about their son's transfer application.

Prosecutor John Verner said in court Tuesday that Wheeler essentially stole $45,000 in financial aid, scholarship money and academic awards from Harvard.

"This defendant's actions cheated those who competed honestly and fairly for admissions and for the scholarships that this defendant fraudulently obtained," said Middlesex District Attorney Gerry Leone.

Wheeler, an English major who would have graduated from Harvard this spring, tried to transfer to Yale or Brown after he got caught at Harvard, Leone said, again by falsifying his achievements and recommendations.

In his applications, Wheeler said he was employed by McLean Hospital, a psychiatric facility affiliated with Harvard, even though he was not. His transfer application included faked recommendations from an employee at the hospital and from his former Harvard dean, Leone said.

Yale was tipped off by Wheeler's parents, Verner said. A Yale official called the Wheeler home to ask about his application, and one told the official that the application wasn't truthful and their son had been thrown out of Harvard.

Wheeler's parents refused to comment outside of court Tuesday.

His lawyer, Steven Sussman, said his client "will have his day in court and that day is not today."

Sussman said Wheeler has no prior criminal record. He would not discuss the charges against Wheeler.

Harvard said in a statement it could not discuss individual cases because of federal privacy laws and referred all questions to the district attorney's office.

Prosecutors said Wheeler actually graduated from Caesar Rodney High School, a public school in Kent County, Del., in 2005. He attended Bowdoin College in Maine from 2005-07, but was suspended for academic dishonesty, according to court records.

In court documents, prosecutors said that at the time Wheeler was told he would be suspended from Bowdoin, he was completing his application to transfer to Harvard. But authorities say that instead of applying as a suspended sophomore from Bowdoin, he said he was a straight-A student with a 1600 SAT.
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noraebang



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow they deny people with low gpas now? Are you sure that was the only reason? If so, I'm in trouble for the future. I deliberately took two Fs with the same professor (enrolled in two of his classes for the first time) because I withdrew after the withdrawal date when we didn't get along. Many other students had the same complaints about him marking atheists unfairly. In Korea they just retake classes that they did poorly in and replace their grade. Hope this doesn't haunt me in the future. I still have 30 credits left to up my GPA though.
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Sody



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, the ESL industry in Korea is really messed up. Why does anyone need a high GPA to do anything in Korea? We aren't Koreans, we are just ESL teachers.

Still, perhaps this is a good way to filter out the bad teachers or the backpackers. Maybe this is a really great thing. They should keep in mind, however, that anyone with a high GPA isn't going to want to go to Korea. Even some of us who do have high GPAs are going to go there and then just leave in less than one or two years.

Who are they kidding?
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sody wrote:
Wow, the ESL industry in Korea is really messed up. Why does anyone need a high GPA to do anything in Korea? We aren't Koreans, we are just ESL teachers.

Still, perhaps this is a good way to filter out the bad teachers or the backpackers. Maybe this is a really great thing. They should keep in mind, however, that anyone with a high GPA isn't going to want to go to Korea. Even some of us who do have high GPAs are going to go there and then just leave in less than one or two years.

Who are they kidding?




Why shouldn't they hire teachers with higher GPA's from better schools and reject low performers? Parents want the best possible education for their kids, and while GPA and school are no guarantee, there need to be some standards.
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raindrop



Joined: 01 Apr 2010
Location: USA

PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should definitely look into hagwons. If you're worried about the GPA part, just don't put it on your resume when you apply. If they really want to know, they will ask. If they don't ask, then you can probably assume they don't care what your GPA is as long as you have a bachelors degree.
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sulperman



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

noraebang wrote:
Wow they deny people with low gpas now? Are you sure that was the only reason?


This is the first time I have ever heard of that. OP, your options are now every single other job in Korea. You can still teach at a public school, just not through EPIK. There are many ads on this site.

Transcripts are almost always just for immigration to get the visa. Nobody else is gonna care about your grades.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Options with a low GPA? Reply with quote

710 wrote:
Hey, I just got rejected from EPIK for having a low GPA (2.3)

I spent two of my six years at my university figuring out what I wanted to do and unfortunately in the process earned a lower GPA. My recruiter is going to try GEPIK but says they are competitive as well... Any other options you think I should try? Thanks...


Well, I feel for you. I ended up in the same boat. Not sure what I wanted and plowed through. Luckily I got here before the surge and it didn't really matter. They really ask for GPA's now? Stupid. ESL isn't rocket science. Besides, it's more about your energy level and ability to get along and adapt rather than how well you memorized some books in college. I've met plenty of people who had high grades, but couldn't hold their own in a conversation, who had no creativity, generally seemed incompetent outside of rigid barriers, and had little ability to function on their own.

Of course this isn't everyone with high marks. I've never been accused of being stupid. My GPA was around yours, but people have always used the word "intelligent" and "creative" to describe me. I've never been accused of being stupid. Of course, there are some low GPAers that might be stupid. But the really stupid ones are the ones who flunk out or leave University.

Anyhow, try a hogwan and maybe in a year or two, with a tesol certificate, you can re-apply. Just wait for the surge to go down. There will be less people here when the recession in America ends.
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