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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:55 am    Post subject: Grammar question Reply with quote

Search function doesn't work for me.

Arise - rise

Wait - await

etc

I know how to describe the difference in meaning, but not the grammatical reasoning behind it... A prefix for what cause? *rubs chin*
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here
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here
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kinerry



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flammable, inflammable
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
here
and
here


Ah, so that's how you got your degree. I like to hear responses from *people* I am interacting with, thanks.

It's like when I ask what some french food is, for example. People will google it me. When they could just say 'its a pastry dish famous for it's strong natural scent of dogs breath'

But thanks, thanks for informing me of this 'google' website. I'm sure it will prove useful to me in the future.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK cranky-pants,

Rise - intransitive verb - to get up, wake up, a thing that people and quantities do.

Arise - also intransitive verb - to originate from, to begin being, a thing that people can do, usually poetically, but it is also a thing that barbarian hordes did among the Roman states in Europe, and something that H1N1 did, and Jesus did.

For example: Dr. Frankenstein rises early everyday; his monster arose from a laboratory table.


Wait - can be both transitive or intransitive - you can wait for something, or you can wait upon something; both are the facilitation of expectation.

Await - similar to wait; unlike rise/arise this difference is purely grammatical at the structure level.

Whereas you can "wait for" something, in this case "wait" is intransitive -- "for" is the beginning of a phrase that attaches to the independent clause -- you can only "await" something as a transitive verb that requires a subject of the verb. The exception is in a sort of passive voice, that is something is awaiting somewhere. For example, "Many dangers await Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom." In this case, await can be used as an intransitive verb: "Many dangers await." In this case, the object has been dropped (I don't know the grammar rule for implicit objects). Generally, for the purposes of your students, the intransitive await is pretty unuseful, unless they're getting into pre-Modern poetry and literature.

So...

I am waiting for Bob.
Bob waits for me.
Bob waits tables.
Bob waits.

Bob awaits summer.
Dangers await bob.
Danger awaits.

Hope that helps.

P.s. I didn't use Google. I used a dictionary Wink
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah not cranky, I'm almost permanently calm and content. I just like to bite back at the inevitable responses that will come in this forum that are either patronising, a**holish or generally antagonistic - Because of its inevitability.

Who seriously bookmarks a link to a website designed to patronise somebody about the use of google? I can imagine their smug faces when they view their bookmarks, click the top result - google patronising - and then blissfully copies it out for the 900th time, fulfilled that is has, once again, come to their aid.

Anyway, yes that was quite helpful, but I'm interested in the actual A part.

EG the A in Atonal or Asexual is of different origin, as to make something without tone, or without sex.
Arise and Await are different additions from another source, I presume.

Cheers for your time, Smith and Wesson.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Globutron wrote:

Ah, so that's how you got your degree. I like to hear responses from *people* I am interacting with, thanks.

You don't interact with people, you seem to want to use them as your quick answer machine for the trivial. I believe the last thread I saw you in you were too busy to post in the right forum and notice the already existing threads about your problem.

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But thanks, thanks for informing me of this 'google' website. I'm sure it will prove useful to me in the future.

Quote:
Search function doesn't work for me.

You seemed to be having trouble.
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