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kotakji
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| Giving up a quarter million dollar salary (see above) is never easy. Particularly those with East Polynesian History BAs will have trouble. I don't know; maybe they could take a cooking class, go to law school, I don't know. I'm sure they would figure something out. . |
Although I dont have any figures, I would assume that most of the consultants earning a quarter-million salary are former military/intelligence and engineers/hard science guys. Not to say that I disagree with your point in general. |
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Pluto
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In Afghanistan, this would certainly be the case. No civilian contractor working in either Iraq or Afghanistan makes below $115,000 a year.
However, this is not the case in Africa. Many of these people come from Europe and the American military presence throughout Africa is almost non-existent. |
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NoSimpleHighway
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Most of these foreign consultants on the ground in 3rd world countries have a minimum of a Master's Degree, in Public Administration at the least, but more often in something more practical like Engineering / Urban Planning etc.
As for aid to Africa, not all aid packages are created equally. Much of the aid given by Western nations has failed due to corruption, inadequate allocation, and lack of long term planning. Western countries will frequently pledge billions of dollars of aid, start ambitious projects in infrastructure and education, and then fail to follow through with funding and support. Just compare the aid pledged with the aid that has actually been dispersed - hint: there is a big discrepancy. This has allowed projects to get started, then money is siphoned away by local politicians, and all of a sudden the donor nation loses the desire to finish the project. This only perpetuates the feeling that poverty in Africa is inevitable, and makes future development more difficult.
I agree with the OP's article that the Chinese have taken a much more effective approach to development in Africa. Chinese aid comes with as many, if not more strings attached to it as Western aid, but China takes a much more direct role in administering its aid and has a longer term focus than the West. Chinese construction managers hire local labor and train them and directly oversee the projects they fund. The locals work for a salary that is competitive by local standards, and the Chinese management is able to focus on the project as whole. |
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mises
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/opinion/23kristof.html?hp
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Moonshine or the Kids?
Jude Kokolo has been stuck in first grade for the last five years because his father says he can�t afford to pay $2.50 a month in school fees. But his father says that he averages $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.
There�s an ugly secret of global poverty, one rarely acknowledged by aid groups or U.N. reports. It�s a blunt truth that is politically incorrect, heartbreaking, frustrating and ubiquitous:
It�s that if the poorest families spent as much money educating their children as they do on wine, cigarettes and prostitutes, their children�s prospects would be transformed. Much suffering is caused not only by low incomes, but also by shortsighted private spending decisions by heads of households.
That probably sounds sanctimonious, haughty and callous, but it�s been on my mind while traveling through central Africa with a college student on my annual win-a-trip journey. Here in this Congolese village of Mont-Belo, we met a bright fourth grader, Jovali Obamza, who is about to be expelled from school because his family is three months behind in paying fees. (In theory, public school is free in the Congo Republic. In fact, every single school we visited charges fees.)
We asked to see Jovali�s parents. The dad, Georges Obamza, who weaves straw stools that he sells for $1 each, is unmistakably very poor. He said that the family is eight months behind on its $6-a-month rent and is in danger of being evicted, with nowhere to go.
The Obamzas have no mosquito net, even though they have already lost two of their eight children to malaria. They say they just can�t afford the $6 cost of a net. Nor can they afford the $2.50-a-month tuition for each of their three school-age kids.
�It�s hard to get the money to send the kids to school,� Mr. Obamza explained, a bit embarrassed.
But Mr. Obamza and his wife, Valerie, do have cellphones and say they spend a combined $10 a month on call time.
In addition, Mr. Obamza goes drinking several times a week at a village bar, spending about $1 an evening on moonshine. By his calculation, that adds up to about $12 a month � almost as much as the family rent and school fees combined.
I asked Mr. Obamza why he prioritizes alcohol over educating his kids. He looked pained.
Other villagers said that Mr. Obamza drinks less than the average man in the village (women drink far less). Many other men drink every evening, they said, and also spend money on cigarettes.
�If possible, I drink every day,� Fulbert Mfouna, a 43-year-old whose children have also had to drop out or repeat grades for lack of school fees, said forthrightly. His eldest son, Jude, is still in first grade after repeating for five years because of nonpayment of fees. Meanwhile, Mr. Mfouna acknowledged spending $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.
Traditionally, a young man here might have paid his wife�s family a �bride price� of a pair of goats. Now the �bride price� starts with oversized jugs of wine and two bottles of whiskey.
Two M.I.T. economists, Abhijit Banerjee and Esther Duflo, found that the world�s poor typically spend about 2 percent of their income educating their children, and often larger percentages on alcohol and tobacco: 4 percent in rural Papua New Guinea, 6 percent in Indonesia, 8 percent in Mexico. The indigent also spend significant sums on soft drinks, prostitution and extravagant festivals.
Look, I don�t want to be an unctuous party-pooper. But I�ve seen too many children dying of malaria for want of a bed net that the father tells me is unaffordable, even as he spends larger sums on liquor. If we want Mr. Obamza�s children to get an education and sleep under a bed net � well, the simplest option is for their dad to spend fewer evenings in the bar.
Because there�s mounting evidence that mothers are more likely than fathers to spend money educating their kids, one solution is to give women more control over purse strings and more legal title to assets. Some aid groups and U.N. agencies are working on that.
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Well-meaning humanitarians sometimes burnish suffering to make it seem more virtuous and noble than it often is. If we�re going to make more progress, and get kids like the Obamza children in school and under bed nets, we need to look unflinchingly at uncomfortable truths � and then try to redirect the family money now spent on wine and prostitution. |
I'd rather my country not subsidize the drinking habits of dysfunctional fathers in Africa. |
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Fox
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| This is precisely why education must be publically funded through taxation, with no accompanying mandatory fees. "Sorry Jude Mfouna, it might be good for your future to actually progress through the school system, but your father would like to drink every day if possible." Best to just take that little conflict of interests off the table. |
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kabrams
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
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| start trusting in free peoples, free enterprise and free markets. |
That is how they got into the mess to start with.
It was colonialism from Europe that was the starting point for these problems.
If they were left alone and retained their traditional indigenous structures the social and economic disruption would not have happened. |
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| traditional indigenous structures |
What wearing loin cloths and eating iguanas?
Economic growth is the cure for ALL problems. History has shown time and again that free markets are the path of least resistance to economic growth.
Maybe some of you need to brush up on ECON 101. Here is a free chapter on economic growth from a good elementary econ text.
http://worthpublishers.com/CowenTabarrokMacro/docs/CowenCH06.pdf |
It's obvious you know little about the continent. |
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kabrams
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Now, evidently, we are expected to give aid so that women in the third world can enjoy feminine products during their periods.
I find the claim that affordable feminine products will directly and substantially improve the economic situation in these areas ridiculous, to be honest. No, I don't think some girl having tampons is going to lead to her creating a new business in her community that will draw jobs and improve everyone's life. |
I actually don't think that's the point of the article, and the comments I think are better than the original article. |
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Senior
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| soviet_man wrote: |
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| start trusting in free peoples, free enterprise and free markets. |
That is how they got into the mess to start with.
It was colonialism from Europe that was the starting point for these problems.
If they were left alone and retained their traditional indigenous structures the social and economic disruption would not have happened. |
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| traditional indigenous structures |
What wearing loin cloths and eating iguanas?
Economic growth is the cure for ALL problems. History has shown time and again that free markets are the path of least resistance to economic growth.
Maybe some of you need to brush up on ECON 101. Here is a free chapter on economic growth from a good elementary econ text.
http://worthpublishers.com/CowenTabarrokMacro/docs/CowenCH06.pdf |
It's obvious you know little about the continent. |
I think it's obvious that YOOOUUU know nothing about the continent.
Do you see how that works? You might as well have posted, "NAAHHHHH, is not!"
Bumping this post from this obviously intelligent and knowledgeable poster, only served to highlight your own lack of knowledge on the subject. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| soviet_man wrote: |
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| start trusting in free peoples, free enterprise and free markets. |
That is how they got into the mess to start with.
It was colonialism from Europe that was the starting point for these problems.
If they were left alone and retained their traditional indigenous structures the social and economic disruption would not have happened. |
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| traditional indigenous structures |
What wearing loin cloths and eating iguanas?
Economic growth is the cure for ALL problems. History has shown time and again that free markets are the path of least resistance to economic growth.
Maybe some of you need to brush up on ECON 101. Here is a free chapter on economic growth from a good elementary econ text.
http://worthpublishers.com/CowenTabarrokMacro/docs/CowenCH06.pdf |
It's obvious you know little about the continent. |
I think it's obvious that YOOOUUU know nothing about the continent.
Do you see how that works? You might as well have posted, "NAAHHHHH, is not!"
Bumping this post from this obviously intelligent and knowledgeable poster, only served to highlight your own lack of knowledge on the subject. |
Oh please, get off his *****.
The statement he made didn't even need an actual refutation, hence my comments. It would be like if someone said American traditional culture was about smoking peyote and killing buffalo or indigenous European culture was about gladiator shoes and hedonism. It's so ridiculously simplistic that it illustrates a complete lack of awareness of fact, whether intentional or not.
Anything else? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
| kabrams wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| soviet_man wrote: |
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| start trusting in free peoples, free enterprise and free markets. |
That is how they got into the mess to start with.
It was colonialism from Europe that was the starting point for these problems.
If they were left alone and retained their traditional indigenous structures the social and economic disruption would not have happened. |
| Quote: |
| traditional indigenous structures |
What wearing loin cloths and eating iguanas?
Economic growth is the cure for ALL problems. History has shown time and again that free markets are the path of least resistance to economic growth.
Maybe some of you need to brush up on ECON 101. Here is a free chapter on economic growth from a good elementary econ text.
http://worthpublishers.com/CowenTabarrokMacro/docs/CowenCH06.pdf |
It's obvious you know little about the continent. |
I think it's obvious that YOOOUUU know nothing about the continent.
Do you see how that works? You might as well have posted, "NAAHHHHH, is not!"
Bumping this post from this obviously intelligent and knowledgeable poster, only served to highlight your own lack of knowledge on the subject. |
Oh please, get off his *****.
The statement he made didn't even need an actual refutation, hence my comments. It would be like if someone said American traditional culture was about smoking peyote and killing buffalo or indigenous European culture was about gladiator shoes and hedonism. It's so ridiculously simplistic that it illustrates a complete lack of awareness of fact, whether intentional or not.
Anything else? |
It didn't need an actual refutation? Meaning you agree free markets are the path to success? |
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blade
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| mises wrote: |
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/opinion/23kristof.html?hp
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Moonshine or the Kids?
Jude Kokolo has been stuck in first grade for the last five years because his father says he can�t afford to pay $2.50 a month in school fees. But his father says that he averages $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.
There�s an ugly secret of global poverty, one rarely acknowledged by aid groups or U.N. reports. It�s a blunt truth that is politically incorrect, heartbreaking, frustrating and ubiquitous:
It�s that if the poorest families spent as much money educating their children as they do on wine, cigarettes and prostitutes, their children�s prospects would be transformed. Much suffering is caused not only by low incomes, but also by shortsighted private spending decisions by heads of households.
That probably sounds sanctimonious, haughty and callous,
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Why yes it does.
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but it�s been on my mind while traveling through central Africa with a college student on my annual win-a-trip journey. Here in this Congolese village of Mont-Belo, we met a bright fourth grader, Jovali Obamza, who is about to be expelled from school because his family is three months behind in paying fees. (In theory, public school is free in the Congo Republic. In fact, every single school we visited charges fees.)
We asked to see Jovali�s parents. The dad, Georges Obamza, who weaves straw stools that he sells for $1 each, is unmistakably very poor. He said that the family is eight months behind on its $6-a-month rent and is in danger of being evicted, with nowhere to go.
The Obamzas have no mosquito net, even though they have already lost two of their eight children to malaria. They say they just can�t afford the $6 cost of a net. Nor can they afford the $2.50-a-month tuition for each of their three school-age kids.
�It�s hard to get the money to send the kids to school,� Mr. Obamza explained, a bit embarrassed.
But Mr. Obamza and his wife, Valerie, do have cellphones and say they spend a combined $10 a month on call time.
In addition, Mr. Obamza goes drinking several times a week at a village bar, spending about $1 an evening on moonshine. By his calculation, that adds up to about $12 a month � almost as much as the family rent and school fees combined.
I asked Mr. Obamza why he prioritizes alcohol over educating his kids. He looked pained.
Other villagers said that Mr. Obamza drinks less than the average man in the village (women drink far less). Many other men drink every evening, they said, and also spend money on cigarettes.
�If possible, I drink every day,� Fulbert Mfouna, a 43-year-old whose children have also had to drop out or repeat grades for lack of school fees, said forthrightly. His eldest son, Jude, is still in first grade after repeating for five years because of nonpayment of fees. Meanwhile, Mr. Mfouna acknowledged spending $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.
Traditionally, a young man here might have paid his wife�s family a �bride price� of a pair of goats. Now the �bride price� starts with oversized jugs of wine and two bottles of whiskey.
Two M.I.T. economists, Abhijit Banerjee and Esther Duflo, found that the world�s poor typically spend about 2 percent of their income educating their children, and often larger percentages on alcohol and tobacco: 4 percent in rural Papua New Guinea, 6 percent in Indonesia, 8 percent in Mexico. The indigent also spend significant sums on soft drinks, prostitution and extravagant festivals.
Look, I don�t want to be an unctuous party-pooper. But I�ve seen too many children dying of malaria for want of a bed net that the father tells me is unaffordable, even as he spends larger sums on liquor. If we want Mr. Obamza�s children to get an education and sleep under a bed net � well, the simplest option is for their dad to spend fewer evenings in the bar.
Because there�s mounting evidence that mothers are more likely than fathers to spend money educating their kids, one solution is to give women more control over purse strings and more legal title to assets. Some aid groups and U.N. agencies are working on that.
...
Well-meaning humanitarians sometimes burnish suffering to make it seem more virtuous and noble than it often is. If we�re going to make more progress, and get kids like the Obamza children in school and under bed nets, we need to look unflinchingly at uncomfortable truths � and then try to redirect the family money now spent on wine and prostitution. |
I'd rather my country not subsidize the drinking habits of dysfunctional fathers in Africa. |
To sum up the author of this peace thinks it makes sense to blame the victims (i.e. uneducated people who probably couldn't afford to got to school themselves because their uneducated parents spent their money unwisely). Can anyone else see a slight flaw in this persons line of reasoning? |
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Fox
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/opinion/23kristof.html?hp
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Moonshine or the Kids?
Jude Kokolo has been stuck in first grade for the last five years because his father says he can�t afford to pay $2.50 a month in school fees. But his father says that he averages $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.
There�s an ugly secret of global poverty, one rarely acknowledged by aid groups or U.N. reports. It�s a blunt truth that is politically incorrect, heartbreaking, frustrating and ubiquitous:
It�s that if the poorest families spent as much money educating their children as they do on wine, cigarettes and prostitutes, their children�s prospects would be transformed. Much suffering is caused not only by low incomes, but also by shortsighted private spending decisions by heads of households.
That probably sounds sanctimonious, haughty and callous,
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Why yes it does.
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but it�s been on my mind while traveling through central Africa with a college student on my annual win-a-trip journey. Here in this Congolese village of Mont-Belo, we met a bright fourth grader, Jovali Obamza, who is about to be expelled from school because his family is three months behind in paying fees. (In theory, public school is free in the Congo Republic. In fact, every single school we visited charges fees.)
We asked to see Jovali�s parents. The dad, Georges Obamza, who weaves straw stools that he sells for $1 each, is unmistakably very poor. He said that the family is eight months behind on its $6-a-month rent and is in danger of being evicted, with nowhere to go.
The Obamzas have no mosquito net, even though they have already lost two of their eight children to malaria. They say they just can�t afford the $6 cost of a net. Nor can they afford the $2.50-a-month tuition for each of their three school-age kids.
�It�s hard to get the money to send the kids to school,� Mr. Obamza explained, a bit embarrassed.
But Mr. Obamza and his wife, Valerie, do have cellphones and say they spend a combined $10 a month on call time.
In addition, Mr. Obamza goes drinking several times a week at a village bar, spending about $1 an evening on moonshine. By his calculation, that adds up to about $12 a month � almost as much as the family rent and school fees combined.
I asked Mr. Obamza why he prioritizes alcohol over educating his kids. He looked pained.
Other villagers said that Mr. Obamza drinks less than the average man in the village (women drink far less). Many other men drink every evening, they said, and also spend money on cigarettes.
�If possible, I drink every day,� Fulbert Mfouna, a 43-year-old whose children have also had to drop out or repeat grades for lack of school fees, said forthrightly. His eldest son, Jude, is still in first grade after repeating for five years because of nonpayment of fees. Meanwhile, Mr. Mfouna acknowledged spending $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.
Traditionally, a young man here might have paid his wife�s family a �bride price� of a pair of goats. Now the �bride price� starts with oversized jugs of wine and two bottles of whiskey.
Two M.I.T. economists, Abhijit Banerjee and Esther Duflo, found that the world�s poor typically spend about 2 percent of their income educating their children, and often larger percentages on alcohol and tobacco: 4 percent in rural Papua New Guinea, 6 percent in Indonesia, 8 percent in Mexico. The indigent also spend significant sums on soft drinks, prostitution and extravagant festivals.
Look, I don�t want to be an unctuous party-pooper. But I�ve seen too many children dying of malaria for want of a bed net that the father tells me is unaffordable, even as he spends larger sums on liquor. If we want Mr. Obamza�s children to get an education and sleep under a bed net � well, the simplest option is for their dad to spend fewer evenings in the bar.
Because there�s mounting evidence that mothers are more likely than fathers to spend money educating their kids, one solution is to give women more control over purse strings and more legal title to assets. Some aid groups and U.N. agencies are working on that.
...
Well-meaning humanitarians sometimes burnish suffering to make it seem more virtuous and noble than it often is. If we�re going to make more progress, and get kids like the Obamza children in school and under bed nets, we need to look unflinchingly at uncomfortable truths � and then try to redirect the family money now spent on wine and prostitution. |
I'd rather my country not subsidize the drinking habits of dysfunctional fathers in Africa. |
To sum up the author of this peace thinks it makes sense to blame the victims (i.e. uneducated people who probably couldn't afford to got to school themselves because their uneducated parents spent their money unwisely). Can anyone else see a slight flaw in this persons line of reasoning? |
If you're spending money on cell phone bills and alcohol instead of a mosquito net (when you've all ready lost two children to malaria), rent, and your children's education, then you're not "the victim." Your children are, and you're the perpetrator. |
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blade
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| blade wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/opinion/23kristof.html?hp
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Moonshine or the Kids?
Jude Kokolo has been stuck in first grade for the last five years because his father says he can�t afford to pay $2.50 a month in school fees. But his father says that he averages $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.
There�s an ugly secret of global poverty, one rarely acknowledged by aid groups or U.N. reports. It�s a blunt truth that is politically incorrect, heartbreaking, frustrating and ubiquitous:
It�s that if the poorest families spent as much money educating their children as they do on wine, cigarettes and prostitutes, their children�s prospects would be transformed. Much suffering is caused not only by low incomes, but also by shortsighted private spending decisions by heads of households.
That probably sounds sanctimonious, haughty and callous,
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Why yes it does.
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but it�s been on my mind while traveling through central Africa with a college student on my annual win-a-trip journey. Here in this Congolese village of Mont-Belo, we met a bright fourth grader, Jovali Obamza, who is about to be expelled from school because his family is three months behind in paying fees. (In theory, public school is free in the Congo Republic. In fact, every single school we visited charges fees.)
We asked to see Jovali�s parents. The dad, Georges Obamza, who weaves straw stools that he sells for $1 each, is unmistakably very poor. He said that the family is eight months behind on its $6-a-month rent and is in danger of being evicted, with nowhere to go.
The Obamzas have no mosquito net, even though they have already lost two of their eight children to malaria. They say they just can�t afford the $6 cost of a net. Nor can they afford the $2.50-a-month tuition for each of their three school-age kids.
�It�s hard to get the money to send the kids to school,� Mr. Obamza explained, a bit embarrassed.
But Mr. Obamza and his wife, Valerie, do have cellphones and say they spend a combined $10 a month on call time.
In addition, Mr. Obamza goes drinking several times a week at a village bar, spending about $1 an evening on moonshine. By his calculation, that adds up to about $12 a month � almost as much as the family rent and school fees combined.
I asked Mr. Obamza why he prioritizes alcohol over educating his kids. He looked pained.
Other villagers said that Mr. Obamza drinks less than the average man in the village (women drink far less). Many other men drink every evening, they said, and also spend money on cigarettes.
�If possible, I drink every day,� Fulbert Mfouna, a 43-year-old whose children have also had to drop out or repeat grades for lack of school fees, said forthrightly. His eldest son, Jude, is still in first grade after repeating for five years because of nonpayment of fees. Meanwhile, Mr. Mfouna acknowledged spending $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.
Traditionally, a young man here might have paid his wife�s family a �bride price� of a pair of goats. Now the �bride price� starts with oversized jugs of wine and two bottles of whiskey.
Two M.I.T. economists, Abhijit Banerjee and Esther Duflo, found that the world�s poor typically spend about 2 percent of their income educating their children, and often larger percentages on alcohol and tobacco: 4 percent in rural Papua New Guinea, 6 percent in Indonesia, 8 percent in Mexico. The indigent also spend significant sums on soft drinks, prostitution and extravagant festivals.
Look, I don�t want to be an unctuous party-pooper. But I�ve seen too many children dying of malaria for want of a bed net that the father tells me is unaffordable, even as he spends larger sums on liquor. If we want Mr. Obamza�s children to get an education and sleep under a bed net � well, the simplest option is for their dad to spend fewer evenings in the bar.
Because there�s mounting evidence that mothers are more likely than fathers to spend money educating their kids, one solution is to give women more control over purse strings and more legal title to assets. Some aid groups and U.N. agencies are working on that.
...
Well-meaning humanitarians sometimes burnish suffering to make it seem more virtuous and noble than it often is. If we�re going to make more progress, and get kids like the Obamza children in school and under bed nets, we need to look unflinchingly at uncomfortable truths � and then try to redirect the family money now spent on wine and prostitution. |
I'd rather my country not subsidize the drinking habits of dysfunctional fathers in Africa. |
To sum up the author of this peace thinks it makes sense to blame the victims (i.e. uneducated people who probably couldn't afford to got to school themselves because their uneducated parents spent their money unwisely). Can anyone else see a slight flaw in this persons line of reasoning? |
If you're spending money on cell phone bills and alcohol instead of a mosquito net (when you've all ready lost two children to malaria), rent, and your children's education, then you're not "the victim." Your children are, and you're the perpetrator. |
If you grew up in a certain environment isn't it likely that you might choose to reproduce this environment when it became your chance to reproduce? Anyway if you take money away from parents you've arbitrarily decided are undeserving of any money then how will the children benefit from this? |
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kabrams
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| kabrams wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
| kabrams wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| soviet_man wrote: |
| Quote: |
| start trusting in free peoples, free enterprise and free markets. |
That is how they got into the mess to start with.
It was colonialism from Europe that was the starting point for these problems.
If they were left alone and retained their traditional indigenous structures the social and economic disruption would not have happened. |
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| traditional indigenous structures |
What wearing loin cloths and eating iguanas?
Economic growth is the cure for ALL problems. History has shown time and again that free markets are the path of least resistance to economic growth.
Maybe some of you need to brush up on ECON 101. Here is a free chapter on economic growth from a good elementary econ text.
http://worthpublishers.com/CowenTabarrokMacro/docs/CowenCH06.pdf |
It's obvious you know little about the continent. |
I think it's obvious that YOOOUUU know nothing about the continent.
Do you see how that works? You might as well have posted, "NAAHHHHH, is not!"
Bumping this post from this obviously intelligent and knowledgeable poster, only served to highlight your own lack of knowledge on the subject. |
Oh please, get off his *****.
The statement he made didn't even need an actual refutation, hence my comments. It would be like if someone said American traditional culture was about smoking peyote and killing buffalo or indigenous European culture was about gladiator shoes and hedonism. It's so ridiculously simplistic that it illustrates a complete lack of awareness of fact, whether intentional or not.
Anything else? |
It didn't need an actual refutation? Meaning you agree free markets are the path to success? |
No.
I meant the statement that traditional indigenous structures amounted to nothing more than "wearing loincloths and eating iguana." |
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| kabrams wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| kabrams wrote: |
| Senior wrote: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
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| start trusting in free peoples, free enterprise and free markets. |
That is how they got into the mess to start with.
It was colonialism from Europe that was the starting point for these problems.
If they were left alone and retained their traditional indigenous structures the social and economic disruption would not have happened. |
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What wearing loin cloths and eating iguanas?
Economic growth is the cure for ALL problems. History has shown time and again that free markets are the path of least resistance to economic growth.
Maybe some of you need to brush up on ECON 101. Here is a free chapter on economic growth from a good elementary econ text.
http://worthpublishers.com/CowenTabarrokMacro/docs/CowenCH06.pdf |
It's obvious you know little about the continent. |
I think it's obvious that YOOOUUU know nothing about the continent.
Do you see how that works? You might as well have posted, "NAAHHHHH, is not!"
Bumping this post from this obviously intelligent and knowledgeable poster, only served to highlight your own lack of knowledge on the subject. |
Oh please, get off his *****.
The statement he made didn't even need an actual refutation, hence my comments. It would be like if someone said American traditional culture was about smoking peyote and killing buffalo or indigenous European culture was about gladiator shoes and hedonism. It's so ridiculously simplistic that it illustrates a complete lack of awareness of fact, whether intentional or not.
Anything else? |
It didn't need an actual refutation? Meaning you agree free markets are the path to success? |
No.
I meant the statement that traditional indigenous structures amounted to nothing more than "wearing loincloths and eating iguana." |
The statement is so glib and off hand that I doubt he meant it seriously. I assume he was trying to make a point about Africa's current level of economic activity, considering he goes on to over information about economic growth in developing countries. |
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