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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:16 am Post subject: |
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I'm with nautilus. Sadly, this is "same ol same ol".
It's not the worst by body count - they've bombed airliners - or ballsy provocation. They've run across and axed to death soldiers on the other side of the border-no need for two-month investigations to determine the culprit then!
Even in the life of this board the Norks have crossed red line after red line without much consequence. It was discovered that they had a nuclear program in defiance of their agreement in the 90s not to. Then they tested a nuke. Then they tested another.
And each time they crossed one of these lines in the sand, waeguk ESL teachers went into a tizzy - "oh my god, there's going to be a war!" And their relatives back home - perhaps not with the best global awareness or perspective, dining on sensationalist 24 hour news, newly attuned to the word "Korea" because their relative was there - took KCNA's threats at face value: "my son Andrew and his ESL Goatee are going to burn in Seoul in a sea of fire! He better fly home!"
All very melodramatic and hysterical and exciting. But nothing will happen. North Korea is nothing if not durable. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Nautilus and The Lemon have got it.
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It's not the worst by body count - they've bombed airliners - or ballsy provocation. They've run across and axed to death soldiers on the other side of the border-no need for two-month investigations to determine the culprit then!
Even in the life of this board the Norks have crossed red line after red line without much consequence. It was discovered that they had a nuclear program in defiance of their agreement in the 90s not to. Then they tested a nuke. Then they tested another.
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For me, their gutsiest move in the last little while was when they mowed down an unarmed civilian who had crossed a vaguely marked line on the beach at one of those joint tourist places in the North. As I recall, they didn't even bother denying they had done that, they just basically said "Yeah, so what?" without providing any further explanation. |
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Bucky
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver (formerly Yongsan-gu, Seoul)
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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My DMZ tour on Saturday was halted partway because of this. We were in the briefing at Camp Bonifas when the soldier giving the presentation was called away on his earpiece. He exited the room for a LONG time, and then came back and hesitantly said, "I guess you guys are supposed to continue on to the gift shop" (which was a bit humorous to us because there's a gift shop on the freaking base).
We continued on, and just as we were lining up to get in, two US Army soldiers in a Jeep pulled up and strongly ordered us to get back on. Even the tour guide wasn't sure what was going on, but apparently we were being ordered off the base. So no JSA for us.
At Dorasan Observatory, we saw a LONG line of cars coming back from the Kaesong Industrial Complex. The tour guide said in all her time doing the job, she had never seen such a long long coming back before, nor has a JSA tour been halted halfway like that.
And it looks like it all has to do with this Cheonan incident and how tensions have escalated as a result of it. |
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TL
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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Inter-Korean trade, exchange to be halted; N. Korea to be banned from using South Korean waterways: President Lee
Lee says S. Korea to invoke self-defense measures in case of further N. Korean provocation
President Lee says S. Korea to punish N. Korea through U.N. Security Council for March warship attack.
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/05/24/0200000000AEN20100524002500315.HTML |
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mimi_intheworld
Joined: 19 May 2010
Location: South Carolina
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| Okay, it's Monday. Any new news? I'm taking everything I read in Western news with a grain of salt in the meantime. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, there's news. The US has formally announced they are supporting South Korea on anything and alerted the US military on standby for support ops just in case things get narly. Now the 2 Korea's are going to pit China and the US since China supports the North. It is a precarious situation that can easily degenerate in the matter of hours. |
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TL
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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I just read this on www.reuters.com on the breaking news banner:
Breaking News:
North Korean leader Kim orders military to be on combat footing: report
Is this normal? I can't tell whether it's a part of NK's usual rhetoric. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| It is a precarious situation that can easily degenerate in the matter of hours. |
I wish they'd hurry up, I don't want to go do my evening class tonight. Tuesdays are too long, and a war might just be the excuse I need to get out of going. |
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TL
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: Found article |
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I found the article.
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| (Reuters) - North Korean leader Kim Jong-il has reportedly ordered his military to be on combat alert as tensions rise sharply on the peninsula after the South accused its neighbor of sinking a warship. |
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64N0F520100525 |
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kiknkorea
Joined: 16 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:20 am Post subject: Re: Found article |
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I found the article.
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| (Reuters) - North Korean leader Kim Jong-il has reportedly ordered his military to be on combat alert as tensions rise sharply on the peninsula after the South accused its neighbor of sinking a warship. |
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64N0F520100525 |
Brilliant work Yonhap.
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The initial markets falls were triggered by a story by the South's Yonhap news agency quoting a local report that the North was gearing up for war. It later emerged that the report said only that the North would fight back if it was attacked.
"The Yonhap report ... chilled investor sentiment as it highlighted South Korea's geopolitical risks. And the timing for such news could not be worse, as market sentiment was already shaky with renewed euro zone financial fears," said Hwang Keum-dan, a stock market analyst at Samsung Securities. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| TL wrote: |
I just read this on www.reuters.com on the breaking news banner:
Breaking News:
North Korean leader Kim orders military to be on combat footing: report
Is this normal? I can't tell whether it's a part of NK's usual rhetoric. |
I say it's rhetoric. The quantity of it recently doesn't change the quality of it: same ol.
On the other hand, if they were serious, after 60 years of their hysterics, how would you tell? (Apart from that *boom* sound out your window..) |
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hypnotoad777
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Ugh...I'm leaving for S. Korea mid august for EPIK. I'm so tired of googling news articles about this. I want to take a dump on Kim Jong Il's face. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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TL
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: No torpedo? |
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Do you think this is plausible or some nut making stuff up?
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| I am S.C. Shin, a civil investigator recommended by Korean National Assembly for the sinking of Cheonan and I'm writing this letter to let you know the truth exactly here in Korea. |
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| I didn't agree with the conclusion of the Korean military administration and now sued for libel by them. |
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| The Military Administration made a conclusion that Cheonan had torn in two and sunken by the 'Explosion of Torpedo'. |
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| But my oppinion is quite different from it because I could not find even a slight sign of 'Explosion' but could find so many evidences of grounding in/out of the vessel. |
http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=154146 |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:42 am Post subject: |
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I heard there were one or two guys that were against the report - that they were put in there by the DP of the National Assembly.
His point about the map being shown to the family members... sure, looks like the same map. But as the military said, anyone could have written that note on it.
if he has the map, he could have wrote it.
His evidence about the grounding doesn't seem that firm either. His photo comparison examples looked nothing like the PCC-772 damage. |
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