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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: Religious Right Goes Nuts Over Potential DADT Repeal |
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Gays will infect our army with AIDS, soldiers will dress up as members of the opposite gender and it will be impossible to prevent it, and straight soldiers will be raped. Also, Hitler was gay, and he discovered that homosexual soldiers are possessed of unlimited savagery and brutality. Of course this is in addition to the on-going rhetoric about gays causing earthquakes, gays being allowed to serve openly reducing unit cohesion, and other totally baseless claims.
I wonder how America will survive with only AIDs ravaged, constantly raped, cross-dressing, earthquake-inducing, savage Nazi stormtroopers to defend it. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| In a workplace mostly populated by macho redneck meatheads, why would any gay man want to tell anyone about his sexuality? That's just asking for a kicking. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Nuts Go Nuts Over Potential DADT Repeal would be a much more accurate and appropriate title to your thread given the links you've provided.
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| Of course this is in addition to the on-going rhetoric about gays causing earthquakes, gays being allowed to serve openly reducing unit cohesion, and other totally baseless claims. |
This concern at least has some merit (you're being quite a bit disingenuous by placing it next to the earthquakes quip), though it should be of no concern if the introduction of open homosexuality is treated similarly to the introduction of women by providing separate barracks when appropriate. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| This concern at least has some merit (you're being quite a bit disingenuous by placing it next to the earthquakes quip), though it should be of no concern if the introduction of open homosexuality is treated similarly to the introduction of women by providing separate barracks when appropriate. |
I don't feel it has merit as phrased, because it's not the gays that could hypothetically reduce unit cohesion, it's the bigotry that would be reducing unit cohesion. That is how that statement should be framed: anti-homosexual bigots might reduce unit cohesion.
That said, I've seen as much proof that homosexuals serving openly would reduce unit cohesion to the point of causing missions to fail as I have that homosexuals cause earthquakes. Sure, many people in the military disagree with homosexuality. There are also no doubt people who look down on blacks, people who look down on women, people who look down on Muslims, people who look down on Jews, and so on and so on. None the less, there are people from all those categories in our armed forces, serving openly, and somehow we get by. There's no reason I've ever seen that says the results will be any different with gays.
I might not have much respect for soldiers as a group, but I don't think they're collectively irrational children who will let their dislike of another person get in the way of successfully accomplishing the tasks put before them, and the rare individual that does will be an object lesson when he gets slapped with a dishonorable discharge. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, Hitler was gay, and he discovered that homosexual soldiers are possessed of unlimited savagery and brutality. |
Without even clicking on the link, I'm guessing that they're referring to Ernst Roehm's SA, who did indeed have a hefty contingent of homosexuals, and were reportedly quite brutal(though no more so than most Nazi groups, I'd imagine).
The funny thing is, though, these anti-gay propagandists are probably the kind of people who, before learning about the SA, would have insisted that homosexuals are all wiliting pantywaists who would run at the first sound of gunfire. But now, of course, they're all a bunch of war-crazed sadists. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| In a workplace mostly populated by macho redneck meatheads, why would any gay man want to tell anyone about his sexuality? That's just asking for a kicking. |
Wow. There's so much outright ignorance in that post that it's mind-boggling. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| In a workplace mostly populated by macho redneck meatheads, why would any gay man want to tell anyone about his sexuality? That's just asking for a kicking. |
Wow. There's so much outright ignorance in that post that it's mind-boggling. |
You think? Maybe I exaggerated the number of rednecks a bit, but still it can't be the most welcoming place for gays. |
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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Why should gays even serve in the military until there's equal marriage rights and non-descrimination laws in every state. I find it kind of offensive that there's all this talk about repealing DADT now that they actually have trouble filling the ranks. They didn't have a problem discriminating against gays before but now that they need gays, DADT is suddenly a bad idea. Barack Obama wants to leave the gay marriage issue for the states to decide, leaving gay marriage to just stagnate across the nation, but he wants gays to serve in the military. Kind of a bad deal. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Why should gays even serve in the military until there's equal marriage rights and non-descrimination laws in every state. I find it kind of offensive that there's all this talk about repealing DADT now that they actually have trouble filling the ranks. They didn't have a problem discriminating against gays before but now that they need gays, DADT is suddenly a bad idea. Barack Obama wants to leave the gay marriage issue for the states to decide, leaving gay marriage to just stagnate across the nation, but he wants gays to serve in the military. Kind of a bad deal. |
Look pal, cannon fodder don't come easy these days |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Barack Obama wants to leave the gay marriage issue for the states to decide, leaving gay marriage to just stagnate across the nation, but he wants gays to serve in the military. Kind of a bad deal. |
In other words, Obama is doing nothing for homosexuals. "Allowing" homosexuals to serve openly in the military isn't exactly doing them a favor. Women have it extremely hard in the service, especially at infantry level, with enormous amounts of sexual harassment and even far too much rape.
While the openly gay may be safe from rape (from most soldiers), they will be many times fold harassed. You're not doing anyone any favors here.
You will have to scrap the entire chain of command to make this fly. Right now there is too much "silence" if you know what I mean, there's too much pressure from above "keeping the peace."
And the marriage thing... Clinton's Defense of Marriage Act means that it would take a Federal initiative to permit homosexual marriage. As it is, state's must reciprocate marriage licenses, compelling states to become outraged at other states and putting pressure on each other.
He's washing his hands of the matter and letting the children police themselves.
Obama does about as much for gays as he does African Americans.  |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| NovaKart wrote: |
| Why should gays even serve in the military until there's equal marriage rights and non-descrimination laws in every state. I find it kind of offensive that there's all this talk about repealing DADT now that they actually have trouble filling the ranks. They didn't have a problem discriminating against gays before but now that they need gays, DADT is suddenly a bad idea. Barack Obama wants to leave the gay marriage issue for the states to decide, leaving gay marriage to just stagnate across the nation, but he wants gays to serve in the military. Kind of a bad deal. |
Oh relax. Everything in time. The gays will get equal treatment soon enough. These things take time. |
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