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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
It was definately revenge for an earlier sea encounter that embarassed NK. By denying it, NK can have their revenge without losing face to both its own people and the rest of the world. Remember, NK brands the US as warmongers, so it wouldnt look good to the people of North Korea if NK attacked a SK ship unprovoked.
There has so far been an international investigation which has convincing evidence of a NK torpedo attack, as well as NK defectors who report that the attack was ordered. Various promotions in NK military around the time of the attack are also suspicious in nature. It seems VERY likely that it was in fact a NK torpedo that sank the Cheonan. |
Bingo. |
40% of the peopl in this thread agree with this. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| There's also been some discussion that the SK navy had gotten fairly lax and thus the Cheonan was an easy target. |
That's a good idea. Want to sleep on guard duty? Well, I'll just kill you and make an example of you. Anyone else want to sleep? I didn't think so. |
I meant an easy target for NK. I wasn't referring to the conspiracy theories, which I don't buy into. Heck, some Koreans are saying it was the U.S. which sunk the ship and that Sweden and Australia helped them cover it up in the investigation. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Either way, if the North really wanted to attack they wouldn't start with this, giving the USFK and the rest of the international community a MONTH to gear up and get ready. |
Isn't that what the US did with Iraq?
GW: "You have one month to turn over your WMDs or we're coming in after them!"
Sadam: "Oh snap. Bury the bombs! Prepare the royal spider hole! You guys are on your own." |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| rkc76sf wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| There's also been some discussion that the SK navy had gotten fairly lax and thus the Cheonan was an easy target. |
That's a good idea. Want to sleep on guard duty? Well, I'll just kill you and make an example of you. Anyone else want to sleep? I didn't think so. |
I meant an easy target for NK. I wasn't referring to the conspiracy theories, which I don't buy into. Heck, some Koreans are saying it was the U.S. which sunk the ship and that Sweden and Australia helped them cover it up in the investigation. |
Hmm... Sweden is rather nefarious... My God...  |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Because there's no Disney Land in North Korea. |
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Forever
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
A significant amount of Koreans, maybe as much as 30-40%, don't believe that the North Koreans did sink the Cheon-an.
Conspiracy theories abound. |
Latest Cheonan polls from the KM Investigative Research Center�
68.7% of respondents believe North Korea was responsible.
17.4% think North Korea was not involved.
14.8% don�t know.
Source:
http://biz.heraldm.com/common/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20100517000339
There are many people in South Korea (South Koreans) who are PRO-North Korea.
They are trying to score points with the disaffected wing nuts and pro-North factions out here. They are turning what should be a non-political, non-partisan issue into a political football.
As the election approaches, these guys are getting more and more agitated.
For example, just today another progressive dumbass has reared his head. Yu Shi-min (Citizen�s Participation Party�the newly formed party created to carry on Noh�s �legacy�), who�s the �unified� progressive candidate for the Gyeonggi governorship, claimed today that �A North Korean torpedo attack has no basis in reality.�
Koreans listen to politicians like this and believe it.
Citizen�s Participation Party is very Pro-North-Korea. So is the DP and the DLP.
They infiltrate the Universities and encourage uni-students to demonstrate against the government and against America.
Even the Hannara Party representative An Hyung-hwan awesomely responded thusly:
It�s been said that people can�t tell if he [Yu] is a citizen of South Korea or a representative of the North Korean authorities.
http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/news/shellview.htm?linkid=436&articleid=20100517101244708e5&newssetid=455
The DP and DLP should have been right alongside the GNP offering their condolences for the deaths of the sailors, not offering half-baked conspiracy theories and eroding the public�s trust in the government and military. It reminds me of when Kim Dae-jung snubbed the families of the victims of the Second Daecheon Sea Battle by refusing to visit their memorial altars.
A lot of these conspiracy theories are coming from South Koreans who actually are PRO-North and may even be on the North Korean pay-roll.
Literally, one side actually is trying to tell the truth about what happened to the Cheonan and its crew; the other is offering only lies that will likely ensure some kind of repeat of the Cheonan.
Under the circumstances, using the Cheonan for political gain seems highly appropriate. Perhaps, when leftist Korean parties have grown up and realize that the DPRK is not something you should befriend at any cost and that you need not cover up the murder of South Koreans by the DPRK�ever�then this may begin to feel inappropriate to me.
Apparently, the Chinese even actively courted the DP since they share common doubts about the cause of the Cheonan sinking.
According to the Chosun Ilbo , Chinese Ambassador Zhang Xinsen made the following remarks to DP chairman Chung Se-kyun:
Findings that have been leaked seem to leave some room for review. It seems that there is no solid evidence [...]
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/05/18/2010051800874.html
I fully understand how South Koreans feel about the Cheonan incident. But considering its subtle and complicated nature, I expect you�ll cool it down by fully using your political acumen on an objective basis [...] If it isn�t dealt with properly, it could further heighten tension and would go against South Korea�s national interest as well. It would also frustrate efforts to resume the six-party nuclear talks.
Boy, protecting North Korea sure makes for strange bedfellows.
North Korea has sent many many spies into South Korea and they live amongst us and influence Korean politicians and many other high up Korean government people -
here is an example - http://www.freekorea.us/2010/05/25/north-korean-milfspionage-takes-a-scary-turn/
According to a recent strategic assessment by the American military based on the Korean Peninsula, the North has spent its dwindling treasury to build an arsenal able to start armed provocations �with little or no warning.� These attacks would be specifically designed for �affecting economic and political stability in the region� � exactly what happened in the attack on the Cheonan, which the South Korean military and experts from five other countries determined was carried out by a North Korean midget submarine firing a powerful torpedo.
Admiral Mullen and other officials said they believed the Cheonan episode might be just the first of several to come. �North Korea is predictable in one sense: that it is unpredictable in what it is going to do,� he said. �North Korea goes through these cycles. I worry a great deal that this isn�t the last thing we are going to see.�
High-ranking South Korean officials acknowledge that the sinking was a shock.
�As the Americans didn�t anticipate 9/11, we were not prepared for this attack,� one South Korean military official said. �While we were preoccupied with arming our military with high-tech weapons, we have not prepared ourselves against asymmetrical-weapons attack by the North.�
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/31/world/asia/31koreanavy.html?ref=global-home&pagewanted=all
�We believe that this is the beginning of North Korea�s asymmetrical military provocations employing conventional weapons,� said the South Korean official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the military�s internal analysis. �They will use such provocations to ratchet up pressure on the U.S. and South Korea. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Method In North Korea's Madness
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| It is not surprising that many view the sinking of the Cheonan as just the latest example of outrageous North Korean behavior. The incident does mark a significant escalation in an always dangerous situation. But lost in the often breathless media coverage is a critical fact--the attack did not occur in a vacuum. Indeed, in crucial ways, it is the entirely predictable outcome of an abrupt shift in North-South relations--produced not by the actions of Kim Jong Il, but by the policies of President Lee Myung-bak�s administration in Seoul... |
http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/17/north-korea-conflict-chinoy-opinions-contributors-mike-chinoy.html |
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