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NYC_Gal
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 Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. Funnily enough, there are more than a few educated, wealthy Americans. |
But they are usually horrible people. |
Sorry. I meant educated and/or wealthy. Not all educated Americans come from money, and not all wealthy Americans are educated. |
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smee18
Joined: 24 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You're all bloom'n bonkers. Only Aussies speaking bloody English correctly. Struth!! |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I like how Aussies use the word "reckon." It's so 1800s wild west. "Oi mate, I reckon you should go talk to that girl." |
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matt chaos
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
Location: Gunpo-Si
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I can only really picture a yorkshire accent (lived there three years... ugly accents, I assure you) |
I can assure you that we say "herb" in Yorkshire. I think you can do a lot worse than Yorkshire as an accent. I'm guessing you have one of those awful, annoying, generic southern England accents and use the word "random" lots? |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
| I like how Aussies use the word "reckon." It's so 1800s wild west. "Oi mate, I reckon you should go talk to that girl." |
Nothing wrong with that. Americans use that usage also. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| .38 Special wrote: |
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| I like how Aussies use the word "reckon." It's so 1800s wild west. "Oi mate, I reckon you should go talk to that girl." |
Nothing wrong with that. Americans use that usage also. |
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, I said I liked it. I did however imply that it was archaic, in the US anyway. I don't think it's been heard much since my great grandfather had his first sarsaparilla. But hey, could be a regional thing. The US is a big place. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Globutron wrote: |
| I can only really picture a yorkshire accent (lived there three years... ugly accents, I assure you) |
I can assure you that we say "herb" in Yorkshire. I think you can do a lot worse than Yorkshire as an accent. I'm guessing you have one of those awful, annoying, generic southern England accents and use the word "random" lots? |
Come on now, play nice. I think we can agree that ALL british accents are painfully annoying. |
I concur.
As for me, no, I have a rather neutral Midlands English accent, which is an amalgamation of north and south with the occasional words. I use random when I talk about things such as aleatorics, indeterminacy and entropy, not when I have a spoon that is smaller than the rest of my spoons. I'm 22, not 15...
I lived in Hull (yes I'm a terrible person) - Yorkshire - for 3 years, and I heard the omitting of H in places constantly. My step dad was also from Yorkshire with the same result, So I dunno where 'bouts in Yorkshire you are, but it's a pretty big place.
In other news, I just happened to hear my American co-staff say 'erbs' Yesterday afternoon, as if to spite me. It sounds so deliberate, as if forcing the removal of the H...
I also use reckon. and Ain't. and 'Gordon Bennett'. What was the original topic again? |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmm I love a southern English accent. Kent, give or take a few km. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| .38 Special wrote: |
| nukeday wrote: |
| I like how Aussies use the word "reckon." It's so 1800s wild west. "Oi mate, I reckon you should go talk to that girl." |
Nothing wrong with that. Americans use that usage also. |
Also hear some British using it too. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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One Americanism that grates my willy is "Gotten". Like, "I've gotten worse at English since being in Korea."
It's "I have got worse", or "I have become worse."
Please remember this in future, all you Americans.
Thank you,
Pompous Brit |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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In what way is that NOT a contradiction.
Alos you werent aware americans used "erb"
Well KFC's slogan for decades has been "11 "erbs' and spices
There are dozens of commercials for "erbal essences" shampoo ( although there are just has many that actually Say the "h"
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KFC and Herbal Essences American commercials use this pronunciation. In Australia, at least (can't speak for Britain), the ads say "herbs and spices (though they haven't used that slogan for years in Oz), and herbal essences. You do hear the American pronunciation on American TV shows sometimes, but I can't say I had much awareness of it until I came to Korea and met so many Americans.
As to Brits getting snobby about the language, I get crap every day from Americans telling me to speak properly. They play dumb..."the boot.???...ohhh.....you mean the trunk"... haha so funny. I'm just saying that I hear Americans correcting language way more than Brits, but it's obnoxious both ways. We come from different countries with different pronunciations and words. Live and let live people! |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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The simple past vs present perfect simple tense is another.
http://www.english-grammar-lessons.com/presentperfectorpastsimple/menu.php
Not sure if this is exclusively American, but I think using 'got' too often is fairly lazy.
"I got out of the car" vs "I stepped out of the car".
"I got a new bike" vs 'I bought a new bike"
"He's got a big gay moustache" vs "He has a big gay moustache". |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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The simple past vs present perfect simple tense is another.
http://www.english-grammar-lessons.com/presentperfectorpastsimple/menu.php
Not sure if this is exclusively American, but I think using 'got' too often is fairly lazy.
"I got out of the car" vs "I stepped out of the car".
"I got a new bike" vs 'I bought a new bike"
"He's got a big gay moustache" vs "He has a big gay moustache". |
Some interesting sentences in this link.
My stomach hurts. I've eaten too much. - I think I would always say "I ate too much." I've eaten too much? what, throughout my entire life? I tend to consider a meal a completed event and simple past. Someone with a stomach ache surely wouldn't continue to eat.
I've never seen so many people. - I agree it does sound a bit uneducated to say "I never saw so many people."
* I haven't done it yet. (UK)
* I didn't do it yet. (US)
* I've just done it. (UK)
* I just did it. (US)
* I've already done it. (UK)
* I already did it. (US)
Oddly, of all of those, only two sound awkward to me - nothing to speak of grammatical correctness, in which case the US examples are wrong. The 1st US example and the 2nd UK example. The latter reminds me of the phrase "Now you've/I've" done it. Actually, "I just did it" sounds 'more correct' to me.
I agree on the overuse of "got," and guess it might be American. I've actually heard kids say "I don't got one."
However, according to this link, gotten is archaic British English. http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/got.html
The example you gave, "I have gotten worse at English" is a perfect example of how that word shows process. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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"I've eaten too much" suggests to me that there is an unfinished time or event (today or at this meal that hasn't yet finished).
"I ate too much" sounds like something further in the past (1 hour ago, yesterday etc). |
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matt chaos
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
Location: Gunpo-Si
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Globutron wrote: |
| Moustache Ride wrote: |
| matt chaos wrote: |
| Globutron wrote: |
| I can only really picture a yorkshire accent (lived there three years... ugly accents, I assure you) |
I can assure you that we say "herb" in Yorkshire. I think you can do a lot worse than Yorkshire as an accent. I'm guessing you have one of those awful, annoying, generic southern England accents and use the word "random" lots? |
Come on now, play nice. I think we can agree that ALL british accents are painfully annoying. |
I concur.
As for me, no, I have a rather neutral Midlands English accent, which is an amalgamation of north and south with the occasional words. I use random when I talk about things such as aleatorics, indeterminacy and entropy, not when I have a spoon that is smaller than the rest of my spoons. I'm 22, not 15...
I lived in Hull (yes I'm a terrible person) - Yorkshire - for 3 years, and I heard the omitting of H in places constantly. My step dad was also from Yorkshire with the same result, So I dunno where 'bouts in Yorkshire you are, but it's a pretty big place.
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Ah well, I was just playing the odds 
I can imagine a northerner dropping the 'h' from 'herbs', BUT, it would sound nowhere near as silly as when it is said in a North American accent with the curling emphasis on the 'r'.
For the guy that compared 'herbs' to 'honour' (oops, there's that 'u') and 'hour'; would you seriously drop it from 'her', 'here', 'hear', 'heart, 'hemisphere'???
I think that anyone dropping the 'h' proceeding an 'e' must be an 'alfwit'. Although the whole 'you say this and we say that' thing is a bit daft. |
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