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Korean profs must "buy" their jobs??
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Mikejelai



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 5:13 am    Post subject: Korean profs must "buy" their jobs?? Reply with quote

I just read in the paper where a part-time prof down in Gwangju killed himself this week cause he had been offered full-time professor status at two different universities - one for 60 million and the other one (closer to Seoul) for 100 million. According to his suicide note he wanted to bring more attention to this well shameful known Korean secret (professorship for a bribe). Seems to me like he took it a little too personal though, perhaps.

So it got me to wondering: is it really that common here? have any of you (foreigners) ever been asked to buy your job (at your university)? if so, did you refuse, and not get renewed as a result?
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GwangjuParents



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, this goes on, although this practice would not extend to foreigners.

The practice of "bribing" to get a job/promotion in Korea is semi-common, although it's a practice that is slowly dieing out as Korea modernizes.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep.

My GF told me the going rate for a Fine Arts professor at a decent private uni, is 50,000won.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crescent wrote:
Yep.

My GF told me the going rate for a Fine Arts professor at a decent private uni, is 50,000won.


Don't you mean 50,000,000 won?
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crescent



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
crescent wrote:
Yep.

My GF told me the going rate for a Fine Arts professor at a decent private uni, is 50,000won.


Don't you mean 50,000,000 won?


LOL! Yes, of course. Wow, it's one of those days.
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Link? I'd love to bring this into a discussion class, especially as I teach mostly uni students.
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conrad2



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This goes on in private elementary and high schools as well.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
Link? I'd love to bring this into a discussion class, especially as I teach mostly uni students.

I don't know where you'd find a link to illegal hiring practices.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

conrad2 wrote:
This goes on in private elementary and high schools as well.


I know at one of the private middle schools I taught at, a good portion of the teachers had to pay in the neighborhood of 10 million-won to get a job back in the 80's and 90's. Most of the remaining teachers were somehow related (blood or by marriage) to someone in the school. They also tend to favour alumni of the school too. But private schools are very reluctant to hire tenured teachers, nothing but contract teachers that get booted after 3 years, since only a few teachers have retired and dwindling student population.

Supposedly the ministry of education has done a good job clamping down on bribes in public and private schools. Used to be horrendously corrupt. The government audits all elementary, middle and high schools, both private and public, every 3 years. But, I wonder how common it still is?
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Dragoon



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paying to work..what a concept.

That always reminds me of the stories of bands in LA during the 80's All of those dudes had to "pay to play"
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TECO



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught at a university where the Business Dept. was caught up in a scandal involving the selling of full Professor positions.

Japan, Taiwan, Korea - it used to happen a lot in universities but is not as common now from what I've been told.

$50, 000 U.S. could get you from Assistant Professor to full Professor. And surprisingly, deals like that were made not too many years ago. I wasn't told who specifically ended up with the money but I would guess the dept. head got a cut.


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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I'd pay to be an assistant dead.
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Smee



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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
Link? I'd love to bring this into a discussion class, especially as I teach mostly uni students.


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/05/117_66639.html

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/422981.html

http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2010/05/chosun-university-lecturer-commits.html
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Mikejelai



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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I should mention that a friend at HUFS in Seoul recently told me that the Dean of the TESL PhD program there was recently forced to resign her Dean position after getting caught selling professorships and/or admissions into the PhD program.
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/05/117_66639.html

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/422981.html

http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2010/05/chosun-university-lecturer-commits.html


Thanks!
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