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[runthegauntlet]

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[PatrickGHBusan]

Interesting you chose to revive this TJ.

I do not see much hope in a fruitful debate however. ATEK is still there but largely inneffective. Its blunders at the outset severely damaged it and left gaping holes in its credibility.

The last few public news releases were the same militant, human right activist soup that was served at the start. They seem stuck at 1000 members and as such represent no one but that number. They had elections where they had but one candidate for a position and fewer than 10 votes to out someone in a seat of responsability.

But, things may have changed when the leadership was changed.

I still think ATEK could have hit a home run had it simply stayed out of advocacy and offered a solid base of information services that would help people and slowly build numbers and credibility....

[Kikomom]

Ah, mind is a total by-stander has a say?

The numbers are the problem that I see. The number of teachers in Korea are like the sands passing through an hour glass.

Unfortunately too, the nature of the job commitment and the average age and maturity of 'the numbers' isn't really conducive to organization on this scale. Strength in numbers isn't something that is always obvious to everyone in a dog eat dog world.

The real task is dealing with the fluidity of membership and those willing to commit to something they may be passing on in a short amount of time.

[Pinished]

[PatrickGHBusan]

Diffuse...

How so?

[naturegirl321]

Do they have conferences or workshops?

[nukeday]

[naturegirl321]

so I take that as a no?

[nukeday]

I'm just speaking from an experience of running into a drunk, quarreling group of ATEkers having what seemed to be a semi-official meeting at a bar in Itaewon. So, they do meet, perhaps not always at a bar.

[rollo]

The Internet and Asia have a long history of self promoting con men. the organization started poorly by attacking something they did not understand fully and then compounded it by by displaying an outrageous ignorance about the history of English teaching in Korea. The checks were needed. The esl industry in Korea was full of fakes, drunks and criminals. Every one knows about the scandal over fake degrees, and then came the CPN mess. Something needed to be done. Maybe the way it was done was not perfect. But in actuallity the checks helped the reputation of English teachers. But I dont believe the campaign by ATEK was about the checks it was an attack on F visa holders, of whom a certain indivual was envious of. An individual who in one post compared himself to Dr. Martin Luther King jr. It needs to go away, no one asked for their help. They certainly have not showed themselves capable of doing much except self promotion.

[naturegirl321]

[kprrok]

[vaticanhotline]

I've been curious about some kind of union representation since before I arrived here, but having read (over the last few weeks) some of the rubbish that FREED and ATEK have been spouting not, least on this forum (NET's are "living in a palindrome" from one, and the "we are here in order to represent the human right sof all the oppressed migrant workers in Korea" vibe from the other) are enough to make me wonder how some people get degrees , I'm quite happy to leave well enough alone.

[ChilgokBlackHole]

[rollo]

ATEK never attacked f visa holders?. Lets see on this board it was suggested by ATEK supporters that f visa holders were hiding criminal backgrounds, that they had only married their Korean spouse to get the f visa. Let's see, "oh those guys can sure throw back the booze". I think those were attacks. F visa holders have already jumped through hoops and had to make a long term commitment on top of that. to ask them to leave the country until th CRC's could be processed was asking a bit much. It was a blatant attempt to open up some job oppurtunities. Since I believe ATEK sought to go into the recruiting business,well draw your own conclusion.