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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: Israelis kill 10 aboard relief ship to Gaza |
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Note how the TV report just gives the Israeli comment. Also, on headlines page was that Netanyahu canceled his meeting with Obama, but nothing about the ten killed.
Israeli commandos storm aid flotilla; 9 killed
By AMY TEIBEL and TIA GOLDENBERG, Associated Press Writers
JERUSALEM � Israeli naval commandos stormed a flotilla of ships carrying aid and hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists to the blockaded Gaza Strip on Monday, killing nine passengers in a botched raid that provoked international outrage and a diplomatic crisis.
Dozens of activists and six Israeli soldiers were wounded in the bloody predawn confrontation in international waters. The violent takeover dealt yet another blow to Israel's international image, already tarnished by war crimes accusations in Gaza and its 3-year-old blockade of the impoverished Palestinian territory.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanhayu canceled a much-anticipated meeting with President Barack Obama in Washington on Tuesday in a sign of just how gravely Israel viewed the international uproar. In Canada, Netanyahu announced he was rushing home.
Israel said it opened fire after its commandos were attacked by knives, clubs and live fire from two pistols wrested from soldiers after they rappelled from a helicopter to board one of the vessels. Late Monday, it released a grainy black-and-white video that it said supported its version of events.
Reaction was swift and harsh, with a massive protest in Turkey, Israel's longtime Muslim ally, which unofficially supported the mission. Ankara announced it would recall its ambassador and call off military exercises with the Jewish state.
The U.N. Security Council scheduled an emergency meeting later Monday to hear a briefing on the incident, said Lebanon's Deputy Ambassador Caroline Ziade, whose country holds the council presidency. The Arab League called for a meeting to discuss the issue Tuesday in Cairo.
The showdown came at a sensitive time for Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking. Netanyahu, who expressed his "full backing" for the military raid, had hoped to receive a high-profile expression of support from Obama after months of strained relations over Israeli settlement construction.
The White House said in a written statement that the United States "deeply regrets" the loss of life and injuries and was working to understand the circumstances surrounding this "tragedy."
The activists were headed to Gaza to draw attention to the blockade, which Israel and Egypt imposed after the militant Hamas group seized the territory of 1.5 million Palestinians in 2007.
There were conflicting accounts of what happened early Monday, with activists claiming the Israelis fired first and Israel insisting its forces fired in self defense. Communications to the ships were cut shortly after the raid began, and activists were kept away from reporters after their boats were towed to the Israeli port of Ashdod.
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Ron64
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Poor Israeli commandos, they just wanted to say hi. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Israelis kill 10 aboard relief ship to Gaza |
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bacasper wrote: |
Note how the TV report just gives the Israeli comment. Also, on headlines page was that Netanyahu canceled his meeting with Obama, but nothing about the ten killed. |
To be fair not much is known about the dead yet, not even their names I think.
Israel have really gone and done it now. This is massive. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Massive is the correct word. this demands a severe policy shift by the U.s. The Obama administration needs to make clear that everything has changed. so far they have let the Israelis behave the way they want to. Younger jews in the U.S. are apalled by this. Support for Israel has eroded considerably. Special force soldiers attacking civilians who in self defense used sticks and the troops gunned them down. I read the letters page in various newspapers and have yet to see a letter in support of Israel. This was murder!!! |
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Ron64
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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The entire event was prepared for one purpose: to create provocation. If for example the U.S.gov. knows about a ship that may have weapon and drugs, would it let it come to the shore at night and unload?
Why did the ships waited for the morning before approaching? Only because they wanted their cameras to make the pictures they advertised. Who would take children for such an operation?
Yes there are people on the ship that are innocent and naive, but it doesn't change the real purpose behind it. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if the US realizes how hypocritical politics is, especially their politics.
NK is accused of downing the SK ship = we got to get tough and do sanctions.
Israeli blatantly does things like break international maritime law = ahh its Israel, they can do what they want.
I sort of agree with what a lot of people say: the US is controlled by Israeli and Jewish lobby groups. Otherwise, they would take some sort of action. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Ron64 wrote: |
The entire event was prepared for one purpose: to create provocation. |
Yeah, helping Palestine had nothing to do with it. They were all just itching to get killed by an overwhelmingly stronger force. That was their main motivation. Speaking of provocation, and indeed aggression, what do you call it when armed commandos invade a boat on international waters?
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If for example the U.S.gov. knows about a ship that may have weapon and drugs, would it let it come to the shore at night and unload? |
Yeah, a highly publicized expedition officially backed by several states and carrying four EU MPs, a Nobel Laureate, and journalists, was in fact trying to smuggle drugs into Palestine.
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Why did the ships waited for the morning before approaching? Only because they wanted their cameras to make the pictures they advertised. |
Why did Israel black out communications?
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Who would take children for such an operation? |
People who weren't expecting to get shot at, obviously. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Pink wrote: |
I sort of agree with what a lot of people say: the US is controlled by Israeli and Jewish lobby groups. Otherwise, they would take some sort of action. |
Just come out and say it. Don't be scared. You know as well as I do that the Jewish-owned MSM will stroke this story the same way they always do, and goys, sorry, guys like Ron will swallow. I mean he's posting IDF videos like they're the gold standard. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Read Greenwald:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/31/israel/index.html
This time, they have gone to far.
Mr. Pink wrote:
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I sort of agree with what a lot of people say: the US is controlled by Israeli and Jewish lobby groups. Otherwise, they would take some sort of action. |
Koveras wrote:
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Just come out and say it. Don't be scared. You know as well as I do that the Jewish-owned MSM will stroke this story the same way they always do, and goys, sorry, guys like Ron will swallow. I mean he's posting IDF videos like they're the gold standard. |
While there are many reasons that the US might favour Israel, the one mentioned above is, given all evidence I have seen, most likely to be the most important. |
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ropebreezy
Joined: 27 Aug 2009
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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When blacks do it, it's called piracy.
When a nation does it, it's called anti-terrorism. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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rollo wrote: |
Massive is the correct word. this demands a severe policy shift by the U.s. The Obama administration needs to make clear that everything has changed. so far they have let the Israelis behave the way they want to. Younger jews in the U.S. are apalled by this. Support for Israel has eroded considerably. Special force soldiers attacking civilians who in self defense used sticks and the troops gunned them down. I read the letters page in various newspapers and have yet to see a letter in support of Israel. This was murder!!! |
True, it is massive, but who wants to bet me that this will change NOTHING? When Israel attacked a non-combat US ship in international waters and killed dozens of US servicemen, we did not even take action and colluded in covering it up for many years. So you think 10 or 20 deaths of some activists wil prod them into action? Google the USS Liberty, or watch Missing Links. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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ropebreezy wrote: |
When blacks do it, it's called piracy.
When a nation does it, it's called anti-terrorism. |
The Turkish PM called it "state terrorism". I 100% agree.
Unless Israel does own the ocean:
Greenwald"
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So, to recap what seems thus far to be the central claim of Israel apologists: Israel is the official Owner of international waters (which is where the flotilla was when it was attacked). As such, they have the right to issue orders to ships in international waters, and everyone on board those ships is required to obey and submit. Anyone who fails to do so, or anyone in the vicinity of those who fail to do so, can be shot and killed and get what they deserve. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Civilian deaths are totally unacceptable, even if a few of the civilians attacked first. This wasn't a case of Israel defending it's soil, so such measures are totally unjustifiable. If Israel is going to insist on blockading Gaza, it's incumbent upon Israel to do so in a casualty-free manner. |
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thomas pars
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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As Americans suffer extreme cuts in education for their own children and a further deterioration in basic economic security (including Social Security), will they continue to acquiesce to the transfer of billions of dollars every year to the Israelis, who -- unlike Americans -- enjoy full, universal health care coverage? |
great article.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/31/israel/index.html#postid-updateA6 |
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