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Is it legal for my employer to keep my diploma?
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you can just call your university and pay about 15 or 20 dollars for them to send you a new one, and don't tell your boss about it. That way you can leave her thinking that she's "got" you.
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Zed



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.B. Clamence wrote:
Or you can just call your university and pay about 15 or 20 dollars for them to send you a new one, and don't tell your boss about it. That way you can leave her thinking that she's "got" you.
A replacement states that it is a replacement. I'm not sure whether this could have some negative impacts at some points.
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zed wrote:
I'm amazed!! Truly amazed!! I haven't found the embassy helpful at all in dealings with them here or in Madrid.


the australian embassy is very good at helping solve issues... they've helped me out a few times... as for the american embassy... haha forget it
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zed wrote:
A replacement states that it is a replacement. I'm not sure whether this could have some negative impacts at some points.


I guess it depends on your university then, because mine doesn't.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zed wrote:
I'm amazed!! Truly amazed!! I haven't found the embassy helpful at all in dealings with them here or in Madrid.

I'm an Awwstraaailain mate. We help each other out Wink
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Zed



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.B. Clamence wrote:
Zed wrote:
A replacement states that it is a replacement. I'm not sure whether this could have some negative impacts at some points.


I guess it depends on your university then, because mine doesn't.
I was told that was the way. Perhaps I was misinformed. I've always "tried" to hang on to mine and use a notarized copy whenever possible just because I would prefer to have the original.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.B. Clamence wrote:
Or you can just call your university and pay about 15 or 20 dollars for them to send you a new one, and don't tell your boss about it. That way you can leave her thinking that she's "got" you.


20 dollars? What kind of sheep skin is that?
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
20 dollars? What kind of sheep skin is that?


Mine cost $15. Some universities charge as much as $50.
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lawyertood



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul, Incheon and the World--working undercover for the MOJ

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine cost me $30 to replace as the director of the institute where I was working at the time decided to use my diploma as a "folder" for the other diplomas he had in his possession. Boy was I pissed with him. Makes the notarized copy idea sound best. These days I submit the damaged diploma whenever it is requested.
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phaedrus



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the eyes of most owners it is legal for them to do just about anything, yet at the same time think they are getting away with breaking every law there is

A quote from my old boss "Is any of this legal?"
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oneiros



Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I decided that rational arguements weren't going to work, so I'd try being devious instead. I had a nice little "confidential" discussion with my Korean co-worker about how I wasn't really happy with the teaching philosophy of the school, etc, and that it might be better if I left. Knowing full well that the entire conversation would be repeated verbatim to my director.

Surprise! It seems that my director "had a dream" last night that I was unhappy, and she was very concerned. I spent twenty minutes listening to her discuss the school's philosophy, and at the end, just mentioned politely, "By the way, you still have my diploma, and I'd really like it back." Two minutes later, it was back in my hands without an arguement.

It does help my case, though, that the administration from my last school keep calling her to "make sure I'm okay", and she's worried that I'll go back to them.
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prairieboy



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
Location: The batcave.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep in mind that it is your property, not her's, not the hogwon's, not immigration's. You are the one who put in the roughly 4 years and paid for it (and may be still paying for it).

It's your property and for anyone to keep it and refuse to give it back is theft. It's not anyone else's by colour of right.

If you need to play hard ball, because sometimes deviousness doesn't work, then threaten to call the police and report it as stolen by your employer. Although this would be a good thing to do when you are in a no win situation and it's time to move on.

Same with the passport, it's the property of your government and you have the express right to carry it and keep it, not anyone else.

It's good that you found a way to get your diploma back without much hassle and no really hurt feelings. My above advice is only a last resort.

Cheers
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oneiros wrote:
I had a nice little "confidential" discussion with my Korean co-worker about how I wasn't really happy with the teaching philosophy of the school, etc, and that it might be better if I left. Knowing full well that the entire conversation would be repeated verbatim to my director.

I've used this strategy a few times to get my way. The korean teachers were just so gossipy that it always reached the top and they have a sudden vision that things aren't OK. Good call
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my exbosses wanted to hold on to my degree. He wanted to hang it up at the school for people to look at. I had not problem with that. I could easily take it anytime I wanted to.

My advice. Is if you can get them a noterized copy. If possible give them a good color copy.

But over all you should hold onto your degree.

Holding your degree I do not think is illegal (sort of is but not a big deal illegal). A school holding your passport - that is illegal. If your school is holding your passport you call your embassy.

Skippy the Evil Twin Twisted Evil
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