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55,000 student loan debt....any ideas?
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there's always teaching in Mississippi:

Students who majored in education and teach in Mississippi may be eligible for the William Winter Teacher Scholar Loan. This program forgives one year of your loan in exchange for one year of service (it forgives two years of your loan if you teach in a shortage area).

Here's a whole page of loan forgiveness ideas:

http://www.staffordloan.com/repayment/forgiveness.php
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wondered something about this. As someone mentioned, student loans can't be escaped via declaring bankruptcy, but other types of loans can. What if someone were to simply borrow substantial funds from a variety of sources, use them to pay off the loan in question (or even take a big dent out of it if you weren't able to pay it off entirely), and then declare bankruptcy a short time later to escape those obligations?

This is more a hypothetical than a suggestion.
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Sleepy in Seoul



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
I've heard there is money to be made in Busan doing "favours for sailors".

What do you mean? Delivering messages, sewing on buttons, that kind of thing?
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mmstyle



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: wherever

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
I always wondered something about this. As someone mentioned, student loans can't be escaped via declaring bankruptcy, but other types of loans can. What if someone were to simply borrow substantial funds from a variety of sources, use them to pay off the loan in question (or even take a big dent out of it if you weren't able to pay it off entirely), and then declare bankruptcy a short time later to escape those obligations?

This is more a hypothetical than a suggestion.


I suppose it is possible, but probably much harder these days. When I was going to school, I was given an offer for a revolving line of credit (which I took). Initially it was very low, but as I proved my ability to pay, it was eventually expanded to 10K USD. It's ridiculous, given what I ws making. Anyway, I think that these kinds of credit lines are much more difficult to get (I didn't even solicit it). For the record, I didn't pay off student loans with it...but occasionally used it to eat.

Thankfully, my husband and I are now both 100% debt free. It's a good feeling. That said, we had nowhere near the debt the OP has between the two of us. Of course, as an American, mine were higher anyway (he's an Aussie, which has much cheaper education).

I do think that a lot of students need to rethink the whole, "get into a really good, really expensive" school idea. Not a knock on the OP. My niece made that mistake and ended up financially crippled by ONE semester worth of debt. I think a lot of Aussies benefit from a system that is much better set up to teach you a trade as well.


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Dazed and Confused



Joined: 10 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm suprised no one has mentioned the US military. Get sent to Iraq or Afganistan and you get combat pay and tax free salary. There used to be deferment and partial loan forgiveness for entering the military.
Plus you might excellent health care if you are injured on the job.
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mmstyle



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: wherever

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishead soup wrote:
Declare Bankrupcy go on welfare get married have lots of kids. Move into a Government housing project and go on food stamps. Eventially get into a re-training program that will provide with real world skills to get a good job. Learn to play the system before it plays you.


lol.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
I always wondered something about this. As someone mentioned, student loans can't be escaped via declaring bankruptcy, but other types of loans can. What if someone were to simply borrow substantial funds from a variety of sources, use them to pay off the loan in question (or even take a big dent out of it if you weren't able to pay it off entirely), and then declare bankruptcy a short time later to escape those obligations?

This is more a hypothetical than a suggestion.


That's a good question. To answer it. Someone with high debt to low income would not qualify for credit unless they have adequate equities in real estate or business to guarantee the loan. In this market, it's reported it's no longer easy to get a mortgage and big credit cards so you wouldn't be able to borrow your way out as might had been very possible 5 years ago. Yep, I'm quite sure financial geniuses already played many complex games about 5 to 8 years ago with student loans and all other sorts of debt so now it requires income and equity to tap into credit lines. I can't qualify for a $500 unsecured credit card yet I never defaulted, but it was explained my debt to income/equity ratios are too out of wack due to high student loan debt compared to being perpetually under or unemployed with no equity nor co-signer.
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perkxplosion



Joined: 18 Jan 2010
Location: gogo's. you know know.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-become a gold prospector
-join deadliest catch
-get addicted to gambling
-become a treasure hunter
-any form of fraud (exploiting charitable organizations for example)
-break a world record and seek endorsements
-make a famous youtube video that is an embarassment but makes you famous and then seek endorsements
-meet famous people and then become famous (aka windy city heat)
-prostitution
-learn to yo-yo very well
-write lots of books
-become a religious/political extremist (great profit potential here - think Fred Phelps)
-make a movie about something that sucks in your life that you want to blame corporate enterprises for (Super Size Me)

Hmm I could do this all day I suppose.
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Beyond



Joined: 04 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

55k is better than my 60k, and I went to state school (US) and got out in 4 years, worked some of the time, too. From my experience, if you're lower-middle class, then you pay the highest interest rates.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's just say I know a guy who never paid his student loans in a place in north america that isn't close to mexico. They sell them off to a debt collector right away and they harass you for 2 years and then you never hear from them again. I guess if you worked there they might dock your pay but he never works there so wouldnt know. Student loans suck and are a way to enslave people to the system. Make you think you need a piece of paper and charge you royally for it plus interest. The interest part is the dirty part if you ask me.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
I always wondered something about this. As someone mentioned, student loans can't be escaped via declaring bankruptcy, but other types of loans can. What if someone were to simply borrow substantial funds from a variety of sources, use them to pay off the loan in question (or even take a big dent out of it if you weren't able to pay it off entirely), and then declare bankruptcy a short time later to escape those obligations?

This is more a hypothetical than a suggestion.


It's possible, but a line of credit of that size may be hard to get. Perhaps a second mortgage on your house could work, then default, move out, and move on.

The more I ponder the education industry the more I realize it stinks and the more compelled I feel to get around it. Alas, I don't have it in me.
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should post on Dave's ESL Cafe...no joke.

You see I heard that Bill Gates deposits $10 in a secret account everytime you post on Dave's, of course, you have to use Internet Explorer. You are supposed to get that money when you go on social security but I hear you can get that money if you are in serious debt.

So, all you have to do is post 5,550 times on Dave's and your debt free! At least, that is what I would tell my parents.

The even better news is that $55,000 is around one year's salary for an average job which is not all that much to pay for a good education. The most important thing is to use that education for good purposes.
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CeleryMan



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Default. It's the "American" thing to do. You're entitled to that money and self -accountability is so yesterday.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
The even better news is that $55,000 is around one year's salary for an average job which is not all that much to pay for a good education.


Attitudes like this are why education prices are soaring. Nothing can protect people from themselves.
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themagicbean



Joined: 04 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@OP: Look into any refinancing/consolidation you can do. There are many options (in the US, at least, I don't know much about Canada) for refinancing at stable rates or longer-term payment plans. Yes this can result in your total interest paid being greater but getting the monkey off your back while you build a career can be a great stress reliever

@Fox News: In bankruptcy, misfeasance by the debtor will result in denial of discharge (meaning you act bad, you keep your debt). An obvious preferential transfer (paying off one guy while screwing another), particularly one funded by dischargeable debt (private loans) to pay off nondischargeable debt (student loans) would definitely qualify as malfeasance and either the private loan guys would recover from the student loan people the money (in which case you still owe the student loan people, and may owe them and the privateers some attorney's fees, too) and/or the court might not discharge your debt to the private loan servicers. Not a good idea.
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