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wafflebunny
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: Can the VISA document process make you or break you? |
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I passed the EPIK interview this past March and was accepted to work with EPIK. After getting the documents together (which was a pain in the ass) and paying so much money to get them FedEX ($65?!?!?! ), I sent them to my recruiter in May and she sent them off to EPIK. Today, she told me that EPIK sent her a notice stating that one of my letters of recommendation did not have a signature on the original. It DID! However, the signature was in black ink making it appear as if it was a photocopy along with it's other Xerox copy. Then they mentioned something about my application or criminal background check being stapled. They didn't warn me about stapling. It's like new rules are being brought up at the very last minute from EPIK.
I'm hoping that nothing freaky happens that ruins my chances of getting there to work successfully. By God, I know that they should not do anything like that after putting me through all of this. I know immigration is strict over there. I am also paranoid that the people at EPIK may be leery about going further with my documents up because I am Black (based on the racial rumors I heard about the ESL hiring in Korea).
So can VISA documents make or break you opportunity to get there? If so, what things could cause problems in you getting there?
Just very paranoid and worried. Help.  |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:32 am Post subject: |
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The visa application IS the job -- if your paperwork doesn't pass to get a stamp, you do not have a job (unless you are working illegally).
There are rules and there are "rules." The "rules" are the various interpretations by immigration workers, many of which are in opposition to the actual rules...for example, when I submitted my CBC last year, it was a state-wide check -- no dice said the immi official...he wanted a LOCAL check...so I got documentation of a township check, and he accepted THAT.... It made no sense, and was probably just some kind of power play or petty-puppet show.
...just because you are doing things exactly the way they are supposed to be done does NOT mean that your paperwork will be accepted (just that it SHOULD be accepted). On the other hand, it is completely possible to submit exactly the same paperwork to a different worker and get a different response (though office politics comes into play when that happens).
Don't panic about the visa hassle -- it is almost common enough to call it normal. Its like the DMV -- expect a long wait, cranky people, and just smile and keep cool. You'll get through it eventually.... |
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fergalreid
Joined: 02 Apr 2010 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: |
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thegadfly wrote: |
The visa application IS the job -- if your paperwork doesn't pass to get a stamp, you do not have a job. |
+1 I've spent more time and energy on my documents than I did on my application, interview or frankly on my TEFL.
thegadfly wrote: |
There are rules and there are "rules." The "rules" are the various interpretations by immigration workers, many of which are in opposition to the actual rules...for example, when I submitted my CBC last year, it was a state-wide check -- no dice said the immi official...he wanted a LOCAL check...so I got documentation of a township check, and he accepted THAT.... It made no sense, and was probably just some kind of power play or petty-puppet show. |
Yeah lucky for me they only wanted a local CBC signed by the district superintendent. The other alternative was a month + deep background check that the gardai don't even like performing themselves. This was one of the very few conveniences I experienced.
thegadfly wrote: |
...just because you are doing things exactly the way they are supposed to be done does NOT mean that your paperwork will be accepted (just that it SHOULD be accepted).
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Don't panic about the visa hassle -- it is almost common enough to call it normal. Its like the DMV -- expect a long wait, cranky people, and just smile and keep cool. You'll get through it eventually.... |
I've sent four envelopes of documents to Korea with DHL in the last two months. Once a fortnight they wanted clarification, additional signatures on additional documents (I solemnly swear not to rape or murder Koreans) or something equally - from my point of view - frustrating. Being asked if I had studied cultural subjects in my History & Politics BA was the icing on a really fruity cake.
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Then they mentioned something about my application or criminal background check being stapled. They didn't warn me about stapling. Rolling Eyes It's like new rules are being brought up at the very last minute from EPIK. |
Ireland, mercifully, prints its apostilles directly onto the backs of documents. I'm not sure if EPIK has just changed the rules to suit itself but it may well have done so because I could've sworn I read posts here from Brits worried about the quality of their apostille stapling. Deep breaths, dude. Soju will make you forget. Drink it down. Drink it all down  |
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wafflebunny
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: |
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thegadfly wrote: |
The visa application IS the job -- if your paperwork doesn't pass to get a stamp, you do not have a job (unless you are working illegally).
There are rules and there are "rules." The "rules" are the various interpretations by immigration workers, many of which are in opposition to the actual rules...for example, when I submitted my CBC last year, it was a state-wide check -- no dice said the immi official...he wanted a LOCAL check...so I got documentation of a township check, and he accepted THAT.... It made no sense, and was probably just some kind of power play or petty-puppet show.
...just because you are doing things exactly the way they are supposed to be done does NOT mean that your paperwork will be accepted (just that it SHOULD be accepted). On the other hand, it is completely possible to submit exactly the same paperwork to a different worker and get a different response (though office politics comes into play when that happens).
Don't panic about the visa hassle -- it is almost common enough to call it normal. Its like the DMV -- expect a long wait, cranky people, and just smile and keep cool. You'll get through it eventually.... |
Wow this sounds very disheartening. I know you're not trying to rain on my parade but are telling the truth. I'm already feeling like dropping out now and just turning down my position because this is getting on my last nerves and when money is being spent possibly in vain, it grinds my gears. This is just too much and it would be a waste of money if they found something wrong with my documents.
I'm trying not to be too negative about this but it's hard.
But I do have a Plan B: If this shit doesn't fall through, then I'm just going to continue on to grad school. |
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wafflebunny
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:03 am Post subject: |
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thegadfly wrote: |
The visa application IS the job -- if your paperwork doesn't pass to get a stamp, you do not have a job (unless you are working illegally).
...just because you are doing things exactly the way they are supposed to be done does NOT mean that your paperwork will be accepted (just that it SHOULD be accepted). On the other hand, it is completely possible to submit exactly the same paperwork to a different worker and get a different response (though office politics comes into play when that happens).
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Do you know what would be some possible reason for them not to give you a VISA? (fraud, lies, more lies, etc?) |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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wafflebunny wrote: |
thegadfly wrote: |
The visa application IS the job -- if your paperwork doesn't pass to get a stamp, you do not have a job (unless you are working illegally).
...just because you are doing things exactly the way they are supposed to be done does NOT mean that your paperwork will be accepted (just that it SHOULD be accepted). On the other hand, it is completely possible to submit exactly the same paperwork to a different worker and get a different response (though office politics comes into play when that happens).
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Do you know what would be some possible reason for them not to give you a VISA? (fraud, lies, more lies, etc?) |
1- No degree
2- Criminal record
3- Failing the medical
However, when did 65$ become 'so much money'?
It is a pretty normal expense considering you are applying for an overseas position...
Good luck |
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fergalreid
Joined: 02 Apr 2010 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
wafflebunny wrote: |
thegadfly wrote: |
The visa application IS the job -- if your paperwork doesn't pass to get a stamp, you do not have a job (unless you are working illegally).
...just because you are doing things exactly the way they are supposed to be done does NOT mean that your paperwork will be accepted (just that it SHOULD be accepted). On the other hand, it is completely possible to submit exactly the same paperwork to a different worker and get a different response (though office politics comes into play when that happens).
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Do you know what would be some possible reason for them not to give you a VISA? (fraud, lies, more lies, etc?) |
1- No degree
2- Criminal record
3- Failing the medical
However, when did 65$ become 'so much money'?
It is a pretty normal expense considering you are applying for an overseas position...
Good luck |
If your documents are accepted in Korea, then you won't have trouble getting a visa. |
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wafflebunny
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
wafflebunny wrote: |
thegadfly wrote: |
The visa application IS the job -- if your paperwork doesn't pass to get a stamp, you do not have a job (unless you are working illegally).
...just because you are doing things exactly the way they are supposed to be done does NOT mean that your paperwork will be accepted (just that it SHOULD be accepted). On the other hand, it is completely possible to submit exactly the same paperwork to a different worker and get a different response (though office politics comes into play when that happens).
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Do you know what would be some possible reason for them not to give you a VISA? (fraud, lies, more lies, etc?) |
1- No degree
2- Criminal record
3- Failing the medical
However, when did 65$ become 'so much money'?
It is a pretty normal expense considering you are applying for an overseas position...
Good luck |
Paying $65 for FEDEx mail is expensive when you're broke and unemployed! LMAO!!! But I'm a poor little post grad kid. Thank God I have family that is having me and I had money saved up.
I already have a temp job for the summer just so I can have more money to take over to Korea. *sighs*
But thanks for the Good Luck wishes. ^_^ |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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OP. Take a deep breath. Think about the Korean visa process as pre-teaching-in-Korea training.
Despite what you may think now, the jerking around during the visa process is nothing, repeat nothing, to the daily cultural 'differences' in management, decision making, and working environment you are going to experience on your journey in Korea (if you are lucky to pass the jerk-around visa test, that is).
Smile. Good luck. It doesn't get better, you just get used to it, or you leave. |
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Hardy Boy

Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Location: I live in a shoe. Made in B.C., Northern Vancouver Island
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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I might re-sign at this particular place simply to avoid having to go through the E-2 visa process again (unless I can swing a letter-of-release last minute switch over to a new gig). |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Wafflebunny, I am telling it like it has happened to me, and as I have heard from others. Sometimes the documents go through without a hitch (the last teacher our school hired had some documentation that the school thought would NEVER fly -- all legit, but very small-town and local stuff, not state-wide or national. It went through no problem), sometimes, perfectly good documents can be rejected because the person working that day had a fight with his wife and is feeling pissy. My boss knows the work-schedules of the most helpful folks, and is always sure to arrive during their duty times. She also sends lunch to the office the next day, after getting the visa stuff processed -- usually fried chicken or pizza. This kind of stuff SHOULD NOT have an effect on the visa process, but in my experience, it does.
Do not be disheartened -- if you have no REASON for your visa to be refused, then, eventually, it will go through...I am just trying to tell you that these "snags" are pretty common, and should not cause you to lose sleep. Think of them as a traffic jam -- a pain when you are involved in it, but quickly forgotten once you have passed it.
Good luck, and keep your chin up! |
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butter_opera
Joined: 07 Apr 2010
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I find that the sooner the start date for the position is the more likely they are to accept anything!
I had proper documentation and am waiting on my visa number. But I had a a friend send stuff off for GEPIK and none of it was what they stated on the application. For example, none of her reference letters were on original letter head, and her back ground check was done at the local sheriffs office, though they state that it must be from a State Police department. And she is in Korea.
So at the end of the day it probably depends on the immigration officer!
But it is Korea....so pretty much anything can go! |
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