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Why do Koreans support conscription?
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason they draft nearly every adult male is that it allows SK to have a large military at a lower cost. You see, these draftees are essentially unpaid. They receive a tiny monthly stipend, less than the average weekly allowance of a US teen. So, indeed, they are slaves for two years. If SK wanted to actually enlist a smaller, better trained, all volunteer military they would have to pay them, and that would be quite costly.

When peace comes and the Koreas reunite (well, if it ever comes), the draft can end, this massive waste of the lives of young men in the prime of life can end, and all that productive energy can generate a great economic boom, if, the socialist government stays out of the way.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
When peace comes and the Koreas reunite (well, if it ever comes), the draft can end, this massive waste of the lives of young men in the prime of life can end, and all that productive energy can generate a great economic boom, if, the socialist government stays out of the way.


Most Korean men do their service in their early 20's. I'd hardly think that is the prime of their life. They're barely getting started, and most enter the workforce in their mid-20's. Which isn't too bad.
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Mariella713



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see any problem with some form of mandatory national service for the citizens of a nation. It need not be military service, though that should be a option. It should also be unavoidable by anyone in the age range, male or female, poor or rich, white, yellow or brown. I think Koreans realize that there are quite a few benefits mandatory conscription brings, even though they don't like being parted from loved ones or going against their will sometimes.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
ontheway wrote:
When peace comes and the Koreas reunite (well, if it ever comes), the draft can end, this massive waste of the lives of young men in the prime of life can end, and all that productive energy can generate a great economic boom, if, the socialist government stays out of the way.


Most Korean men do their service in their early 20's. I'd hardly think that is the prime of their life. They're barely getting started, and most enter the workforce in their mid-20's. Which isn't too bad.



I knew some people wouldn't like that term, but ...

Although these men all are different, and in fact, for some of them military service could help them to grow up and have better lives, they are forced to do so for no pay, involuntarily. The money required to induce individuals to serve in the military could be saved and finance a number of opportunities, education, investments, small business that could lead to a better life for the individual, his family and for all citizens of the country.

Others lose out on early education or the chance to build their life and career. This late start means that they will end up two years short at the other end when they would have been earning their peak lifetime income.

Still others die, and lose out on living their life altogether.

And, of course, all this is done as slaves, involuntarily, for no money. It is not right for any country to practice conscription at any time for any reason. It is an evil form of socialism, like all slavery, where the state violates the individual right to liberty of a human being at its most basic. The fact that its temporary may reduce the magnitude of this crime committed by the state against the individual, but not the nature of the crime.
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chellovek



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is an evil form of socialism, like all slavery, where the state violates the individual right to liberty of a human being at its most basic.


Laughing

Let's ignore all the slaves that have ever been owned by individuals, who bought and sold their slaves like they were private property. Slave markets I believe they were called.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm wondering how old you guys are who think conscription is a human rights issue akin to slavery? Seems like the young have been coddled a little too much. We've raised a bunch of pansies. Dread the day you're without electricity for 24 hours.
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conrad2



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
I'm wondering how old you guys are who think conscription is a human rights issue akin to slavery? Seems like the young have been coddled a little too much. We've raised a bunch of pansies. Dread the day you're without electricity for 24 hours.


Coddled pansies? Most definitely. But it still is slavery and its wrong.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
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Others lose out on early education or the chance to build their life and career. This late start means that they will end up two years short at the other end when they would have been earning their peak lifetime income.

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Two years short compared to whom?
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NovaKart



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, mandatory military service exists in a large number of countries. It's basically a source of cheap labor for many countries. The training is so superficial that I don't really buy the idea that it's protecting the country.

The whole toughen up the youth aspect is ridiculous as well. There are plenty of effeminate men who in fact have more willpower and discipline than a macho guy.

Conscription is also extremely sexist, though not as much in Korea since women are not as often treated equally. In Germany and Scandanavia they still have it for men only. Granted they can do an alternative service which from what I've heard is pretty flexible. However, the fact that only men are called to serve and given the position of women in those countries it's remarkably outdated and sexist.

I do recognize that some countries like Korea and Israel may have a need for it but in all too many countries, even when such an immediate threat doesn't exist, it continues to be used by the government as a way to control its population. I'm not talking about European countries in this case but places like Turkey and Singapore.
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