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nautilus
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ontheway
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 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:03 am Post subject: Re: korea's rocket exploded. |
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But now, the Koreans can scoot around, gather up the pieces, claim they couldn't recover all the pieces, study the Russian technology, and build their own next time ...
Expensive but convenient ... comon, we need a good conspiracy ... |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: korea's rocket exploded. |
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| ontheway wrote: |
But now, the Koreans can scoot around, gather up the pieces, claim they couldn't recover all the pieces, study the Russian technology, and build their own next time... |
Surely they could just infiltrate someone into the broom cupboard at the Nasa patent office?
What gets me though is the sheer amount of money they fritter away on silly and needless big projects to try and boost their international standing. What korea needs is fewer wasteful and uneccesary construction-type projects.. and instead to plough that money into societal and cultural development. |
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pkang0202
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This isn't frivolous.
If Korea can have a successful launch vehicle to space, then they can enter into that market. There is a pretty long wait time for companies/countries to get Satellites into space. Even NASA outsources other countries to get stuff launched into space.
So no, Korean companies and the government wouldn't have invested all that money into a project just to say, "Hey, we can put stuff in space too." |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
This isn't frivolous.
If Korea can have a successful launch vehicle to space, then they can enter into that market. There is a pretty long wait time for companies/countries to get Satellites into space. Even NASA outsources other countries to get stuff launched into space.
So no, Korean companies and the government wouldn't have invested all that money into a project just to say, "Hey, we can put stuff in space too." |
Are you kidding?
Korea lost money on the Olympics and has stadiums sitting empty and rotting left over from the World Cup in 2002. They keep pleading to lose trillions more won on the winter Olympics.
Koreans love to waste trillions of won showing off just how wonderful and important their little country is, in the world. They so much want to play with the big boys ... Can you say peninsula envy? They want to grow up to be a continent someday. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
This isn't frivolous.
If Korea can have a successful launch vehicle to space, then they can enter into that market. There is a pretty long wait time for companies/countries to get Satellites into space. Even NASA outsources other countries to get stuff launched into space.
So no, Korean companies and the government wouldn't have invested all that money into a project just to say, "Hey, we can put stuff in space too." |
Are you kidding?
Korea lost money on the Olympics and has stadiums sitting empty and rotting left over from the World Cup in 2002. They keep pleading to lose trillions more won on the winter Olympics.
Koreans love to waste trillions of won showing off just how wonderful and important their little country is, in the world. They so much want to play with the big boys ... Can you say peninsula envy? They want to grow up to be a continent someday. |
I usually pounce on Pkang when I think he's wrong, but his post was very good. Space missions are a legitimate expense of public resources and tax dollars. Just because Korea wants to be the best isn't a bad thing. In fact, in many ways it keeps them developed and up-to-date. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Can you say peninsula envy? They want to grow up to be a continent someday. |
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curiousaboutkorea
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| And lots of people, both nationalistic Koreans and self-hating Westerners, will try to convince you Korea is more technologically advanced than the US, Europe etc. Will this shut them up? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: |
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I also agree with pkang0202 for the first time in a long time. Japan had a series of fireballs of their own in the 90s but now have a fairly reliable rocket of their own that has resulted in some pretty impressive missions such as the recent Akatsuki and Ikaros (the first successful solar sail ever). SpaceX also had three failed launches in the beginning and since then have had two successful Falcon 1 launches and also succeeded at launching the Falcon 9 on their first try.
Of course, there may eventually be other ways of getting to space besides using rockets:
http://www.jpaerospace.com/ |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:20 am Post subject: |
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I don't see why trying to develop a space program is stupid if the nation has the surplus resources to fund such an effort. Having an indigenous version of something is always desirable.
If Korea didn't have a space program people would rip them for not having a "futuristic vision" or being the Hermit Kingdom once again.
That and it seems people believe that its wrong for Koreans to be anything but 3rd rate or to strive for anything.
Koreans may have national insecurity but I see that same insecurity pop up in the people who think Korea should "stay in its place". |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
This isn't frivolous.
If Korea can have a successful launch vehicle to space, then they can enter into that market. There is a pretty long wait time for companies/countries to get Satellites into space. Even NASA outsources other countries to get stuff launched into space.
So no, Korean companies and the government wouldn't have invested all that money into a project just to say, "Hey, we can put stuff in space too." |
Are you kidding?
Korea lost money on the Olympics and has stadiums sitting empty and rotting left over from the World Cup in 2002. They keep pleading to lose trillions more won on the winter Olympics.
Koreans love to waste trillions of won showing off just how wonderful and important their little country is, in the world. They so much want to play with the big boys ... Can you say peninsula envy? They want to grow up to be a continent someday. |
I usually pounce on Pkang when I think he's wrong, but his post was very good. Space missions are a legitimate expense of public resources and tax dollars. Just because Korea wants to be the best isn't a bad thing. In fact, in many ways it keeps them developed and up-to-date. |
Good grief. If it were such a super duper coll idea, Samsung or someone would be putting up the cash to send rockets into space. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| I don't see why trying to develop a space program is stupid if the nation has the surplus resources to fund such an effort. |
Surplus resources?
How about spending it on a social security net for all the homeless folks around subway stations. Or putting up solar panels to provide free electricity. Or actually building a society and improving education, sexual equality, and protecting their natural environment.?
But they'd rather focus on grandstanding and trying project their image abroad. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| I don't see why trying to develop a space program is stupid if the nation has the surplus resources to fund such an effort. |
Surplus resources?
How about spending it on a social security net for all the homeless folks around subway stations. Or putting up solar panels to provide free electricity. Or actually building a society and improving education, sexual equality, and protecting their natural environment.?
But they'd rather focus on grandstanding and trying project their image abroad. |
I think what you wrote there applies to every nation that has a space program.
Name one country with a space program that doesn't have massive social problems. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
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That just sounds naughty. |
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curiousaboutkorea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
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That just sounds naughty. |
No it didn't, until you made this comment.  |
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