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caribmon
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| I eat 3 chocolate bars a day and I have perfect skin and perfect health. Food has nothing to do with it. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Food CAN be the cause. Some people aren't affected by certain variants. Writing off such variants because they don't affect you is foolish and wrong. Some people can smoke until their 90s, and never get lung cancer. Does that mean that smoking doesn't often cause lung cancer?
I get dermatitis from eating too many peanuts and not enough leafy greens. I eat some peanuts, as it's not a terrible allergy and I love peanut butter, but I balance it out with loads of green veggies.
At the beginning of high school I had terrible acne. My doctor prescribed Retin-A and a bunch of other things. It was when I changed my diet to vegetarianism and started drinking a lot more water that I really saw a difference. Now I only get a spot or two when PMSing, and they only last a day with use of a sulfur mask.
Thank Darwin that chocolate never caused acne for me. What kind of chocolate is your fix? I'm missing Jaques Torres' wicked bars:
http://www.mrchocolate.com/detail.aspx?ID=29 |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| caribmon wrote: |
| I eat 3 chocolate bars a day and I have perfect skin and perfect health. Food has nothing to do with it. |
On the contrary, For three years of my life, the only mirror I used was the back of a DVD, to briefly check there was no part of my hair sticking out wildly, I barely ever looked at myself and still don't. Yet my skin is still doomed - I simply just don't care enough to give up eating Rice and Pasta... |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Acne is a product of a series of hormonal changes that are influenced by diet. One of the main factors is a condition in the body called hyperinsulinemia (constantly high insulin levels) which causes an increase in androgens (which raise sebum production) and increases in IGF-1 with corresponding decreases in IGF-1 binding proteins. Increased levels of IGF-1 in susceptible people cause a hyperprolifteration of keratinocytes--your basal skin cell layer--which tends to make them slough off improperly once they reach the surface. These skin cells that hang around too long end up covering a pore, allowing it to fill with sebum and create ripe conditions for the acne bacteria to invade.
Work on eating low glycemic index carbohydrates (such as vegetables, occasional sweet potatoes, starchy fruits) and replace traditional starches and dairy by increasing your fat intake in order to avoid hyperinsulinemia. I would recommend you do not increase omega-6 polyunsaturated fat intake since it may cause an increase in the inflammation of your acne. Increase your omega-3 polyunsaturated fat intake with fatty acids such as DHA and EPA by eating seafood or taking fish oil supplements. A proper omega-3 to omega-6 ratio will lower inflammation--and if you eat the Standard American Diet (SAD) you definitely have too much omega 6 and too little omega 3.
The last thing you may want to do is increase your zinc levels for the next 30 days. Most people with acne are deficient in zinc, and there is an important enzyme called ZAG which keeps skin cell desmosomes adhering properly that requires adequate zinc to operate. I would recommend eating oysters which are extremely high in zinc, or chicken liver, but if neither of those sound appetizing to you, try a supplement. I don't recommend supplementing with zinc for a long time because you could cause a copper deficiency.
So I have recommend a few things here:
Replace high glycemic index and high glycemic load carbohydrates (such as rice, pasta, potato, bread, dairy) with vegetables, some tubers, and starchy fruits as your carb source. Dairy is not high on the glycemic index but it is perplexingly high on the insulin index which is why I included it.
Since those foods are low in calories and you may find yourself hungrier, eat a bit of extra fat from sources such as coconut oil, cocoa butter, real butter, extra virgin olive oil, or other oils low in polyunsaturated fatty acids.
Also supplement with an omega 3 supplement containing DHA and EPA, such as fish oil or krill oil. This will help with inflammation.
In 30 days you will begin to see your skin improve. This is the time it takes for the basal layer keratinocytes to reach the surface. In other words, what you eat today won't show up until 30 days later because your skin cells are constantly moving upward and refreshing themselves over time.
If you're wondering where I got my information from, I personally suffered with acne for nearly a decade. I was prescribed the strongest of drugs from dermatologists that only slightly improved my condition yet I still suffered. I set out to find out if there was a link between the hormones that cause the proximal causes of acne, and the diets we eat today. What especially interested me were studies of traditionally living hunter gatherer populations which had groups of adolescents with not even a single papule. This was reversed when these races moved to industrialized cities and took on the Western diet. I have been free of acne for several years now by eating a diet like this, and have helped my girlfriend and others do the same. |
Do you have any links at all?
As far as I know, there is no scientific proof that diet has anything to do with acne.
I'd be interested in any links at all though. Maybe some information from the studies on the tribes? |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: |
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I went to a dermatologist for dermatitis about 2 months ago.
Sure, a dermatologist is a good idea if these remedies don't work after 2 weeks. A dermatologist will likely prescribe something Retin-A based. If they try to give you accutane, RUN! My friend took that stuff and went NUTS. |
I had severe acne 2.5 years ago, and accutane was the best thing that ever happened to me. After a 6 month trearment, it fixed me and I have not had acne since.
Your skin gets worse for the first few months of treatment, but after that, life is better.
The worst mistake is waiting. Your acne could get more severe, you get scarring, and then you wish you would have went to the derm from the beginning. |
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noraebang
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Why has no one told the OP to see a dermatologist? Home spun remedies are all well and good, but they can't beat a real doctor actually looking at the problem.
I went to the dermatologist 3 times last month for some dermatitis. He studied at Seoul University as well as in the States. He spoke perfect English and was kind and personable.
It cost 2600won per appointment(X3). And the prescription cost 1900won(X2). I now have relatively clear skin and am not any poorer for it. |
I don't think dermatologists are very good. They're typically 20 years behind the current research. Some even repeat the same old "diet has no connection to acne" mantra that has been proven wrong by several studies in the last decade. |
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noraebang
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Wildbore wrote: |
I had severe acne 2.5 years ago, and accutane was the best thing that ever happened to me. After a 6 month trearment, it fixed me and I have not had acne since.
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My experience with Accutane was that it improved my skin a bit for a year and then my acne came back as bad as it was before. The only thing that completely cured me was going on the Paleo diet (I outlined the basics in this thread). |
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noraebang
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| samd wrote: |
| Do you have any links at all? |
Look up "Dietary Cure for Acne" by Loren Cordain, PhD. The scientific reference section of that book will give you more reading than you could ever ask for. Also, search the website www.thepaleodiet.com section called "Published Research" and look for all of the journal articles published related to acne. I think all of them are released free for the public, including the ones studying the Ache and Kitavan tribes.
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| As far as I know, there is no scientific proof that diet has anything to do with acne. |
How often do you keep up with the scientific literature? There has been some good stuff including a controlled dietary intervention published in the last 5 years.
If you know the proximal causes of acne then it's no small leap to see that diet has a connection with acne. The dermatological community knows the proximal causes very well, they just don't know anything about diet. So when they see IGF-1 causing keratinocytes to overproliferate, they say "Oh for some reason our bodies just naturally create too much IGF-1 and not enough IGF-1 binding proteins." Well, that's just guesswork on their part. If they went on Medline and looked up the effects of hyperinsulinemia then they would see that increases in IGF-1 are a result. Hyperinsulinemia is a direct result of our diet in the West but not of our evolutionary past diet or hunter-gatherer diets today. |
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noraebang
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| caribmon wrote: |
| I eat 3 chocolate bars a day and I have perfect skin and perfect health. Food has nothing to do with it. |
Let's say we have a fleet of taxis, 8 of them are gasoline powered and 2 are diesel. You drive one of the diesel ones.
Your boss says "Don't put diesel into these other cars, they won't run properly."
You reply, "I put diesel in my car every day and it runs great. Diesel will therefore make those cars run properly." |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| noraebang wrote: |
| samd wrote: |
| Do you have any links at all? |
Look up "Dietary Cure for Acne" by Loren Cordain, PhD. The scientific reference section of that book will give you more reading than you could ever ask for. Also, search the website www.thepaleodiet.com section called "Published Research" and look for all of the journal articles published related to acne. I think all of them are released free for the public, including the ones studying the Ache and Kitavan tribes.
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| As far as I know, there is no scientific proof that diet has anything to do with acne. |
How often do you keep up with the scientific literature? There has been some good stuff including a controlled dietary intervention published in the last 5 years.
If you know the proximal causes of acne then it's no small leap to see that diet has a connection with acne. The dermatological community knows the proximal causes very well, they just don't know anything about diet. So when they see IGF-1 causing keratinocytes to overproliferate, they say "Oh for some reason our bodies just naturally create too much IGF-1 and not enough IGF-1 binding proteins." Well, that's just guesswork on their part. If they went on Medline and looked up the effects of hyperinsulinemia then they would see that increases in IGF-1 are a result. Hyperinsulinemia is a direct result of our diet in the West but not of our evolutionary past diet or hunter-gatherer diets today. |
Thanks for the link, it's good stuff.
Do you find it hard to follow the diet living in Korea? |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:22 am Post subject: |
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I had severe acne 2.5 years ago, and accutane was the best thing that ever happened to me. After a 6 month trearment, it fixed me and I have not had acne since.
Your skin gets worse for the first few months of treatment, but after that, life is better.
The worst mistake is waiting. Your acne could get more severe, you get scarring, and then you wish you would have went to the derm from the beginning. |
Okay if it's severe then try it. If it's moderate or less, I say try dietary and topical treatments. |
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noraebang
Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| samd wrote: |
Thanks for the link, it's good stuff.
Do you find it hard to follow the diet living in Korea? |
It will depend on how prepared you are. It's hard but I am able to cope a lot better than my girlfriend does.
See, I was a bodybuilder for a few years before beginning this diet, so although I didn't eat a Paleo diet, I did eat something that didn't mesh will with normal society. That gave me a lot of experience in important habits like always having some food prepared and on-hand so I didn't break whatever diet I was adhering to.
I am in Canada right now, and I find it easier to be on the diet than in Korea. Mainly it's because of the bigger house in which to cook, the deep freezers, Cosco and lots of good fruits and vegetables all year round because I'm directly above California. This diet is more expensive in Korea but you can do it the Korean way, with a lot of in season Korean vegetables and giving up beef since it's expensive there.
I recently bought 200lbs of grassfed beef and filled my freezer with it, for $4 per kg. You probably can't get that type of opportunity in Korea. Even in Canada it's hard but I'm friends with a farmer who was slaughtering all of his cows because they were too much work.
To tell you the truth, I did lose a lot of weight in Korea because I just said "no" to eating any garbage food when going out with friends, rather than indulging in something that would give me acne. (My girlfriend would say I have an iron will, because she always gives in). I didn't want to lose that weight by the way, a lot of it was muscle. The thing is, you go out to eat a lot more in Korea because it's cheaper so you should always have a back up plan, even just some nuts in your bag.
One of my favourite meals to eat in Korea is samgyupsal with kimchi and lettuce, dipped in sesame oil and salt. No bean paste or soy sauce. Hwae is another great one, as well as nearly any fish market or seafood restaurant. VIPS is paradise. |
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