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sulperman
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 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: Why is this news? |
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http://bronx.ny1.com/content/top_stories/120391/claim--bronx-students-forced-to-clean-school-toilets
What is the problem here? Are they saying that the precious little children are too good to clean toilets? That only janitors are low enough to do that kind of demeaning work?
I honestly do not see the problem. Kids clean up here (maybe not the toilets, but the floor). Maybe they generally don't do a real bang-up job, but I think it is a good lesson for them, that they are responsible for their school. Not that the lesson is usually learned, as the kids still make a mess, but it is a lesson worth trying to teach. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| People pay a lot of money (through taxes) to go to school. This is a failure by the school and school district on so many levels. |
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NYC_Gal
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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One of my punishments as a child for having a smart mouth (I know. Hard to believe, huh?  ) was to clean all 3 bathrooms top to bottom every Friday for a month. My mom came in every few minutes to check, and often stood above me pointing to a spot here or there to go over. It was crappy (slaps knee), but did teach me how to keep a bathroom sparkling (though I've let mine slide some, as I went on home leave, with my friend watching my apartment, then learned after I got back that I had to move) for my own home later on.
Cleaning a (basically) public bathroom, though? F no! Had my school ever attempted such a punishment, my mom would have been on them like white on rice. It's not the school's place to punish in such a way.
Janitors choose to work that kind of job. |
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Seoulio
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Why is BRitney Spears driving news?
Why is Michael Jackson spending habits news?
Why is anything involving Lilo news?
Theres a lot of crap out there that ain't news.
That being said, schools pay Janitors to clean the school, If you employ Janitors to clean the school, you should not get the student's to do the chores as punishment.
In Korean schools its about community and doing your part, responsibility for chores
Using cleaning toilets as a punishment for not doing homework is so missing the point it's not even funny.
CHildren are supposed to get an EDUCATION at the school. There are plenty of alternatives for "punishment" and taking responsibility a school setting.
getting a kid to clean toilets for a punishment is vindictive and the sihn of an uncarin and lazy administration/teacher.
It is not about "teachinG" the child anything its about saying "you're gonna do as I say or you can clean other peoples crap for a living"
Great message eh? |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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"Like that's not cool, like making kids clean toilets like that's not how that should go," said another student' hahah. Like, totally dude.
I only ever had to do lines like, once. I've pretty much never had any detention...I was a background kid though |
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tfunk
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I don't think we're seeing the full story here.
Maybe the 'kids' messed up the toilets? Punishment should be unpleasant in certain circumstances. |
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Steelrails
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If the kids gripe about cleaning up the bathrooms they should be given toothbrushes to do the job. If they still gripe, bulldoze the bathrooms and put in an outhouse. That oughtta be fun during the winter months.
Sissy gripes like this are why people vote Republican. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Why shouldn't it be news? I'm sure a lot of parents in the area would be interested in this information. |
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Whatever happened to the paddle? |
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Seoulio
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
If the kids gripe about cleaning up the bathrooms they should be given toothbrushes to do the job. If they still gripe, bulldoze the bathrooms and put in an outhouse. That oughtta be fun during the winter months.
Sissy gripes like this are why people vote Republican. |
Excellent and the republicans will be right there holding the hands of the families when children like this get so pissed off that they are being humiliated by (or in) an institution sworn to educate them that they walk into school with an uzi (his father is constitutionally allowed to have) and blow away over a dozen classmates.
Yeah not a big problem, nothing to concern ourselves with at all  |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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A wise man once said-
"Talking out of turn? That's a paddlin'. Lookin' out the window? That's a paddlin'. Staring at my sandals? That's a padddlin'. Paddlin' the school canoe? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgR0m-9FmM |
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balzor
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| People pay a lot of money (through taxes) to go to school. This is a failure by the school and school district on so many levels. |
Please, most of these kids probably have to do it at home also. God forbid they should have to get their hands really dirty one in their life. They will wash just fine. If you penalize the school, this sends a clear message to the students that the school can't actually punish them as long as they biaotch about it. |
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balzor
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
If the kids gripe about cleaning up the bathrooms they should be given toothbrushes to do the job. If they still gripe, bulldoze the bathrooms and put in an outhouse. That oughtta be fun during the winter months.
Sissy gripes like this are why people vote Republican. |
Excellent and the republicans will be right there holding the hands of the families when children like this get so pissed off that they are being humiliated by (or in) an institution sworn to educate them that they walk into school with an uzi (his father is constitutionally allowed to have) and blow away over a dozen classmates.
Yeah not a big problem, nothing to concern ourselves with at all |
actually, I grew up Republican and still follow a few ideals and I fully support making them clean the toilets when they f up. Growing up in a Christian home, I had to do many chores each week, including cleaning bathroom, trash duty and mowing yards. I fully support manual labor for any kid. Teaches a little bit of character and responsibility |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| balzor wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
If the kids gripe about cleaning up the bathrooms they should be given toothbrushes to do the job. If they still gripe, bulldoze the bathrooms and put in an outhouse. That oughtta be fun during the winter months.
Sissy gripes like this are why people vote Republican. |
Excellent and the republicans will be right there holding the hands of the families when children like this get so pissed off that they are being humiliated by (or in) an institution sworn to educate them that they walk into school with an uzi (his father is constitutionally allowed to have) and blow away over a dozen classmates.
Yeah not a big problem, nothing to concern ourselves with at all |
actually, I grew up Republican and still follow a few ideals and I fully support making them clean the toilets when they f up. Growing up in a Christian home, I had to do many chores each week, including cleaning bathroom, trash duty and mowing yards. I fully support manual labor for any kid. Teaches a little bit of character and responsibility |
+1
I have many a liberal view but this is the kind of thing the Republicans are right on. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| balzor wrote: |
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| People pay a lot of money (through taxes) to go to school. This is a failure by the school and school district on so many levels. |
Please, most of these kids probably have to do it at home also. God forbid they should have to get their hands really dirty one in their life. They will wash just fine. If you penalize the school, this sends a clear message to the students that the school can't actually punish them as long as they biaotch about it. |
The problem stems from the structure of the school system.
Why did the kids misbehave? I'm going to guess the school is a shithole and the kids don't want to be there in the first place. They know that their schooling is failing them. They're not stupid.
If the kids had a choice about what they could do with their time they would be less likely to misbehave. It's the institutionalization of children that is the problem. Not the children. |
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