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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject: Should he have used a tazer? |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10336500.stm
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In the video, shot on Monday, the officer is shown struggling with a girl in black who police said had tried to leave the scene when he confronted her about jaywalking.
A girl in a pink top intervenes, apparently trying to free the other girl. The footage then shows the police officer punching her as onlookers watch. |
Watch the video.
Personally, I think that the girl in pink really shouldn't have stepped in. Her 'friend' was in trouble with a cop, and interfering with that was probably not the best choice.
I'm all for calling cops on brutality - but I'm not sure that's the case here. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'm no fan of police brutality, but if you physically engage with a police officer (as the girl in pink did), I don't think being struck is unreasonable. The man she was with even tried to stop her from foolishly attacking the cop.
If the girl really did jaywalk, the cop was just performing his duty to speak with her about it. If she really did just try to walk away, he was within his rights to prevent that. It looked to me like all he was trying to do was stop her from running away while she struggled and cussed at him, and frankly he was pretty clearly trying to avoid hurting her in the process given he could have easily done to the first girl exactly what he did to the second.
Frankly the notion that these punk girls thought they could totally disregard the law and then attack the cop trying to enforce it is more disturbing than anything the policeman did. Both of these girls also have criminal records according to this too, so it's not like they lack experience with cops. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I don't like it. The guy should be able to easily subdue the girl; a simple wrist or arm lock would have been sufficient. A punch in the head shows lack of control on part of the cop.
I do, however, have a bias regarding cops who push the limit with these things. I've seen cops take situations like these and blow them completly out of control, when in fact it was a minor incident which should have been handled in a much more relaxed manner. Too often cops own agression leads to violent altercations. I'd like to see cops a little less trigger happy and a lot more subdued. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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I think the girl got exactly what she deserved. When is it ever a good idea to fight with a police officer?
The officer must have been stressed, the weather looks hot, the crowd shoving cell phone cameras in his face, hostile crowd, no back up, resisting arrest, loud annoying girls.. I can't blame him for being stressed and over reacting. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
I don't like it. The guy should be able to easily subdue the girl; a simple wrist or arm lock would have been sufficient. A punch in the head shows lack of control on part of the cop.
I do, however, have a bias regarding cops who push the limit with these things. I've seen cops take situations like these and blow them completly out of control, when in fact it was a minor incident which should have been handled in a much more relaxed manner. Too often cops own agression leads to violent altercations. I'd like to see cops a little less trigger happy and a lot more subdued. |
There's a limit to how much we can demand of our law enforcement officers. He showed exactly the kind of restraint you're talking about until the second girl attacked him, at which point he realized he needed to just put an end to the situation, and he did. He was very clearly trying to avoid harming or being brutal with the first girl despite her trashing and profanity. When the second girl jumped in, it had to stop, and it had to stop immediately.
You can't handle things in a relaxed manner when criminals won't let you. I'm sure he would have loved nothing more than for her to simply comply with his requests rather than having her and her friend fighting him. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:41 am Post subject: |
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[/quote]There's a limit to how much we can demand of our law enforcement officers. He showed exactly the kind of restraint you're talking about until the second girl attacked him, at which point he realized he needed to just put an end to the situation, and he did. He was very clearly trying to avoid harming or being brutal with the first girl despite her trashing and profanity. When the second girl jumped in, it had to stop, and it had to stop immediately.
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Fox, I agree to an extant, but if this situation happened to be -oh... say a guy and he got shoved by his wife, or girlfriend and reacted in such a manner, he'd be in deep trouble; probably labeled a woman beater. I just think that cops should be a step above the riff-raff they are supposed to protect the public from. All too often, I've seen them behaving just as badly.
All of this for jaywalking.
I see no reason why a quick twist of the arm while turning her face down on a the car would not have worked. It's appropriate, would have looked better on film and made her submit to his athoratay much better than a smack in the head. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Quick twists, choke holds, arm bars, ect...
They don't always work.
Sometimes, you do what's easiest/most effective. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:21 am Post subject: |
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I'm curious about a few things:
- Was this a foot-patrol officer or an officer who exited his vehicle for the incident?
- If the latter, did he activate the vehicle's video camera?
- Is the video footage shown so far unedited?
- What transpired before filming began?
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:29 am Post subject: |
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All this just for jaywalking? The cop should have let it go, instead of escalating it to a confrontation.
But, then again if the lady just took the ticket and people were more law abiding, it wouldn't have gone that far. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:35 am Post subject: |
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All this just for jaywalking? The cop should have let it go, instead of escalating it to a confrontation.
But, then again if the lady just took the ticket and people were more law abiding, it wouldn't have gone that far. |
When a cop tells you to obey the law and you start yelling profanity, why should a cop not put you in cuffs. It is a clear disrespect for the Law, and a country is run by getting people to obey the law. Anarchy has long been proven not to be an efficient social tool.
Where does one stop closing their eyes to such simple things. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| This reminds of Korean police, except the Kofficer would have let the girls get away with it. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| Clearly the girls were being stupid. They handled the situation in a horrible manner. Also, unless the girl was jaywalking in heavy traffic, the fact that a cop stopped her at all is excessive. All of this over jaywalking, what was there to gain for either party? That cop must have been ego tripping. This is a massive fail for all parties. Look at you all defending a man who punches girls, your mothers would be ashamed. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| All this just for jaywalking? The cop should have let it go, instead of escalating it to a confrontation. |
Yes, all this for jaywalking.
There are way too many unnecessary laws on the books. I once read where the average American is subject to 2 million laws total, on federal, state, and local levels. They allow the worst to be brought out in both cops and citizens. Most should be abolished.
If I want to walk out into oncoming traffic, that is my problem. Parents do not need a law to teach their kids not to do that. Ever try to cross the street in Saigon? The traffic never stops, yet I did not see a greater rate of pedestrian accidents there than in countries with jaywalking laws. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:46 am Post subject: |
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First off, there are too many stupid laws. Millions of them should be repealed, like this one. These laws are used by bullies who grow up to be cops to pick on innocent people and then ruin their lives with unjustified trips into the criminal justice system.
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| Should he have used a tazer? |
No. If this had been something worth pursuing, then the cop should have let the girls walk away, called for backup, and proceeded with a larger number of officers so as to obviate the need for violence of any kind.
"Stupid bully cop gets beat up by girl - and he deserved it." Should be the headline. The authorities should let the girls go and fire the cop. The girls should sue the cop and the department, but win only a token award from each. |
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