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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject: Police try to outlaw recording of their own crimes ... |
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Good God, it has come to this ...
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| In response to the outbreak of incidents on camera, some police departments are trying to limit citizens' ability to record police actions. Authorities are increasingly using decades-old wiretapping laws to prevent people from filming arrests. In a dozen states, notes Annys Shin at the Washington Post, "all parties [must] consent before a recording might be made if a conversation takes place where there is a 'reasonable expectation of privacy.'" A man who filmed an officer giving him a speeding ticket was thrown into jail for posting the video of the incident onto YouTube. Civil libertarians contend that such laws do not apply to arrest, since the processing of a suspect is not a private conversation. If information from the conversation can be used in court, they contend, citizens should be allowed to film police officers. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts2638
(I hope someone will follow up on the incidents on this link.) |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| America is already basically a police state, and it's going to get much worse. People who can't see this are in denial. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, this is such a scary proposition. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think you just need a good lawyer who will say that incidents in public carried out by public officers paid by public money are not private.
I always like the "America is a police state" posts that pop up in these threads, though. Cute! |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| America is already basically a police state, and it's going to get much worse. People who can't see this are in denial. |
So, I'm in denial, or you're just aggressively wrong. Got it. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Who is going to police the police? I think the only job above them will soon be in the Army! |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| I think you just need a good lawyer who will say that incidents in public carried out by public officers paid by public money are not private. |
You have obviously never had any dealings with the "justice" system.
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| I always like the "America is a police state" posts that pop up in these threads, though. Cute! |
I always like the "flippant dismissal" one-line retorts to serious issues that pop up in these threads, though. Clueless!
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| visitorq wrote: |
| America is already basically a police state, and it's going to get much worse. People who can't see this are in denial. |
So, I'm in denial, or you're just aggressively wrong. Got it. |
You're in denial.
Anyway...how can something being done in a public place be considered "private"? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Do, does every person driving get to insist that the police remove their dash cams? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Do, does every person driving get to insist that the police remove their dash cams? |
 I think I've just come up with a defense for my next traffic ticket!  |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| America is already basically a police state, and it's going to get much worse. People who can't see this are in denial. |
So, I'm in denial, or you're just aggressively wrong. Got it. |
You're in denial.
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I'm so annoyed with the libertarian hyperbole. I really am. No doubt there are genuine concerns about civil liberties in the United States. But I live in an actual police state. The United States is not a police state. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| America is already basically a police state, and it's going to get much worse. People who can't see this are in denial. |
So, I'm in denial, or you're just aggressively wrong. Got it. |
You're in denial.
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I'm so annoyed with the libertarian hyperbole. I really am. No doubt there are genuine concerns about civil liberties in the United States. But I live in an actual police state. The United States is not a police state. |
So, since it is not the absolute worst police state in the world, it is not one at all?
Cuba is also a police state. I lived there for awhile and certainly would not trade the US for it, but the scary part was how much the police behaved in similar manners in both countries. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| America is already basically a police state, and it's going to get much worse. People who can't see this are in denial. |
So, I'm in denial, or you're just aggressively wrong. Got it. |
You're in denial.
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I'm so annoyed with the libertarian hyperbole. I really am. No doubt there are genuine concerns about civil liberties in the United States. But I live in an actual police state. The United States is not a police state. |
So, since it is not the absolute worst police state in the world, it is not one at all?
Cuba is also a police state. I lived there for awhile and certainly would not trade the US for it, but the scary part was how much the police behaved in similar manners in both countries. |
The problem is not that you surmise that the US is a police state, it's that you make a generalization about the entire US being a police state. I think it's a bit more complicated than that, though, as there are numerous factors to consider, such as budgets, jurisdiction, location, population, threat levels in particular areas (i.e. terrorism, drug manufacturing/distribution), media (does the local paper work with or against the police?), recruitment, corruption, etc etc. |
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patongpanda
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| America is already basically a police state, and it's going to get much worse. People who can't see this are in denial. |
So, I'm in denial, or you're just aggressively wrong. Got it. |
You're in denial.
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I'm so annoyed with the libertarian hyperbole. I really am. No doubt there are genuine concerns about civil liberties in the United States. But I live in an actual police state. The United States is not a police state. |
So, since it is not the absolute worst police state in the world, it is not one at all?
Cuba is also a police state. I lived there for awhile and certainly would not trade the US for it, but the scary part was how much the police behaved in similar manners in both countries. |
The problem is not that you surmise that the US is a police state, it's that you make a generalization about the entire US being a police state. I think it's a bit more complicated than that, though, as there are numerous factors to consider, such as budgets, jurisdiction, location, population, threat levels in particular areas (i.e. terrorism, drug manufacturing/distribution), media (does the local paper work with or against the police?), recruitment, corruption, etc etc. |
I am not 'surmising' a damn thing. And since the federal police state apparatus applies all over the 50 states, yes, the entire US is a police state. There are tons of evidence for it.
Or, do tell us: what are the defining budgets, jurisdiction, location, population, threat levels, media, etc., to qualify as a 'police state'?
It is never justified. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Bacasper wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| America is already basically a police state, and it's going to get much worse. People who can't see this are in denial. |
So, I'm in denial, or you're just aggressively wrong. Got it. |
You're in denial.
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I'm so annoyed with the libertarian hyperbole. I really am. No doubt there are genuine concerns about civil liberties in the United States. But I live in an actual police state. The United States is not a police state. |
So, since it is not the absolute worst police state in the world, it is not one at all?
Cuba is also a police state. I lived there for awhile and certainly would not trade the US for it, but the scary part was how much the police behaved in similar manners in both countries. |
The problem is not that you surmise that the US is a police state, it's that you make a generalization about the entire US being a police state. I think it's a bit more complicated than that, though, as there are numerous factors to consider, such as budgets, jurisdiction, location, population, threat levels in particular areas (i.e. terrorism, drug manufacturing/distribution), media (does the local paper work with or against the police?), recruitment, corruption, etc etc. |
I am not 'surmising' a damn thing. And since the federal police state apparatus applies all over the 50 states, yes, the entire US is a police state. There are tons of evidence for it.
Or, do tell us: what are the defining budgets, jurisdiction, location, population, threat levels, media, etc., to qualify as a 'police state'?
It is never justified. |
Where did I provide justification for anywhere being a police state? I'm just saying that America isn't. If it were truly already a police state, you would be less likely to see or hear people criticizing the types of things mentioned in the OP. Moving towards being a police state or sharing attributes with a police state in some cases? Sure. But already one? No. |
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