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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Police presence in schools Reply with quote

I stepped into the teacher's room at my school yesterday and found myself walking into some sort of press conference. The room was filled with police officers, my school's faculty/admin, and even the head (and a few of his lackeys) of my district. I have noticed, over the past week or so, police cars parked in and around my school and the occasional pair of uniforms patrolling the campus. I was later told that the police in Seoul (maybe all over Korea?) are trying to increase presence in schools because of some guy that sexually assaulted elementary (middle school?) students.

Does anyone else know about this? I'm all for protecting our kids but this doesn't really seem like a viable solution at all. It just seems to me like whoever is in charge of this op is just trying to make a big show of, "LOOK AT US, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING!" Yeah, something is better than nothing, and perhaps this is a necessary demonstration of action, but seriously? They're gonna have a pair of cops walk around every school in Seoul? Are there even that many cops in this city?

What scares me is even my 2nd graders often walk home alone. I think some time should be spent educating these kids on safety. Perhaps encouraging children to walk home together and to be a bit more vigilant. I often see my students talking to random strangers--maybe it's just the communal nature of Korea. Seems a bit dodgy to me.

Obviously, I don't know much about the situation or the nature of Korean society, but that's what I've drawn from my own observations. I could be completely wrong, I'm just surprised I haven't yet seen a thread about this here.
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe because of this...
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2921634

I have no idea if this is the reason but it would be a nice idea for kids to be monitered and drunk strangers not allowed to roam the halls of a school for an hr with a box cutter.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the buddy system would be a good way to help the little'uns.
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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

warmachine: Yes, I think it was supposed to be about that total waste of human life piece of garbage.

nycgal: Let's start a campaign!

In any case, some of my kids just ran into my office alerting me about some "isanghae man" outside. Turns out, it was just a delivery man from E-Mart Laughing I guess someone HAS been talking to them about vigilance.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloopity Bloop wrote:
warmachine: Yes, I think it was supposed to be about that total waste of human life piece of garbage.

nycgal: Let's start a campaign!

In any case, some of my kids just ran into my office alerting me about some "isanghae man" outside. Turns out, it was just a delivery man from E-Mart Laughing I guess someone HAS been talking to them about vigilance.


I'm glad the kids are more aware of the danger.

I used to have to hold my buddy's hand when walking to my friend's house around the block. Embarassed I was a girl scout, though, so we had the buddy system enforced from an early age.

Wanna make a fun ppt with me on safety? It would include covering mouths with arms when coughing, holding scissors properly and walking slowly with them, and looking behind you when closing a door. We could make it funny. I do love cartooning. <<wags brows>>
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really surprised about kids talking to strangers...

Anyone who's touched the elementary school curriculum knows it's full of things like:

Stranger comes up to young girl on the sidewalk. Points to girl inside of a store
Man: "Who's that?"
Girl: "He's Minsu, she's my brother"
Man: "Oh, he's nice"
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, maybe now they'll stop letting random people WANDER THROUGH THE EFFING SCHOOL!...
I'm tired of people coming in off the street and poking their noses into my classroom while I'm in the middle of a lesson... Parents or not they shouldn't be in the school unless they're there to watch a class or pick up a kid, and should have to wear a visitor's badge like they do back home...

From the article:
Quote:
He wandered the hallways unnoticed for an hour with a box cutter blade


When I first got here I asked my handler about the lack of measures put in place to prevent this... She looked me dead in the eye and said it never happens!... (And Kimchi cures AIDS...)

Sorry for the rant, just frustrates the hell out of me that something like this could happen because of stupid people not having a few simply measures in place to try and prevent it...
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow... Just wow...

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2921958

Quote:
Yeoungdeungpo District police came under fierce public criticism after they took the young victim to search for the crime scene before they brought her to the hospital.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school has these prison like gates that cover each staircase. They get shut after a certain hour. Doesn't mean a thing as the front and backdoors are wide open from 8-2:30.
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mayorgc



Joined: 19 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean society is similar to how the west was back in the 90s, i'm guessing.

Lots of trust, not too much worry and a sort of ignorant bliss regarding the safety of their kids.

We've all seen kids outside by themselves after dark, playing, no supervision.

It's probably what most of us did back when we were kids.

For western Canadians, that changed with the Michael Dunahee case, 1990 i think. where all parents clamped down on their kids after he disappeared.

I thought the Kim Gil Tae or Jo Du sun Case would have a similar effect, but I guess not really. I still see too many young kids out by themselves at night, playing.

And there are almost zero measures in place regarding strangers and school grounds.

Kids in the west are under constant supervision during lunch breaks and what not, in most schools, there are zero eyes on the kids. The only person to keep an eye on the kids during the break is me.

Recently, Jehova's witnesses came to my school and asked one of the teachers "Is there a foreigner teacher teaching here?" My coworker didn't know he was a Jehova's witness, he was just a stranger asking about the foreigner teacher.

In the west, one possible response to a question like that would be "who are you and what are you doing here?"

the teacher's response was "he's over there" and pointed the JW to my classroom.

Many many years ago, a U.S english teacher was killed by a psycho Korean who just walked into a hagwon or something and asked where the english teacher was.

I should have been upset at my coworker, but I guess he really just didn't know any better.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends where in the west. I had supervision in the 80s. I think the view in most of the west changed in the 80s, when they started the missing kids on milk cartons program.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've noticed there are 4 or 5 cops hanging around the elementary school at the end of my street off and on for hmm.. at least a month maybe longer.
Can't be just what happened on the 10th.

When I was in grade 5 there was an escaped serial killer loose where I lived. We had halloween inside that year, a party. He was caught though and next year we were back to the same thing.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to my KT today, and asked if it would be a good idea to organize groups for walking home, rather than have these little bitty kids walking alone for 15-20 minutes. She said the parents would handle it.

Sighs... Nobody'd better touch my honorary little sister.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

egrog1717 wrote:
Not really surprised about kids talking to strangers...

Anyone who's touched the elementary school curriculum knows it's full of things like:

Stranger comes up to young girl on the sidewalk. Points to girl inside of a store
Man: "Who's that?"
Girl: "He's Minsu, she's my brother"
Man: "Oh, he's nice"


that used to totally creep me out!! seriously !! I tried to explain what was wrong with it to my co-t but she didn't seem to get it!

one has to wonder about the person that put it in there?? was it a prank or were they just a total perv?? Shocked
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Goon-Yang



Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Duh

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

warmachinenkorea wrote:
Maybe because of this...
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2921634

I have no idea if this is the reason but it would be a nice idea for kids to be monitered and drunk strangers not allowed to roam the halls of a school for an hr with a box cutter.


Come on...give him a break. He was drunk. That's a good defense in Korea. How many time have you guys got really hammered and wanted to rape a little girl. Come on...be honest here. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

A similar thing happened to me today. I was picking my girls up at daycare and two security guards decide to stop me/ask me all these questions. I'm cool with security guards doing their jobs, but they didn't ask the Korean dude who walked past us.
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