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Mankind

Joined: 18 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:38 am Post subject:

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so if i have signed something and agreed that i wouldn't go to school drunk or i would wear a shirt & tie and then went against what i said.. that is ok?

Drunk is debateable tie is not. Likely even drunk would win though.

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if i did or didnt it would still be their word against mine anyway for something like being drunk (if there was nobody else that came forward) at school. i'm sure you can get my money for me if i came to school drunk

Who's word likely won't matter. The question is 'Did you give 30 days notice? No. Did you pay 30 days extra wages? No'. Answer 'Than payup.'

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IF YOUR BOSS TERMINATES YOU ON THE SPOT - YOU WILL ONLY GET THE MONEY THAT IS OWED TO YOU UP UNTIL THAT TIME

You're new to Korea aren't you. You'll likely get nothing. You'll have to go to the Labor Board for all money owed likely.

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when my former boss said go, i said that your allegations are false and i'm going to see mankind.. she said go, do it.

That'd be the smartest thing you said.

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sure there are lots of things you can do after the fact.. but my whole point is.. it is after the fact. i wouldnt bother going through all that crap to get back a little money.

Than you're a fool. A 20 minute phone call seems worth a couple grand to me.

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besides, there might be other reasons like jacksarang has no cash and would be stranded if he was sacked on the spot. maybe he has no money for a plane ticket and nowhere to live.. but thats ok.. just sleep in the gutter for 2 months til we sort out your 2 mill.

It's 15 days brainy smurf not 2 months. You should complain about your pay yourself. Than after 15 days the labor board call your boss and will help you sign a petition. Most hogwans owners cave at the call or the letter. Usually it's taken care of quickly. By the way your friend above has a letter of release and can be working while he waits.

Please do the world a favor. Open mouth, insert sock. You have no idea what you're talking about. People like you spreading your wisdom is the reason why the labor board has such a crap time dealing with teachers. Plus it's the reason hogwans keep getting away with ripping people off.

HAND Smile

p.s. One of us has read Korea labor law. One of us talks about this stuff everyday with his wife who works there fulltime (I only occasional helpout). The other one of us has no idea what they're talking about. Guess which one you are Wylde? Go post on the dumbass threads like 'Are you Drunk right now?' where correct information isn't important. If you don't know, don't act like you do.[/b][/quote]

wylde

Joined: 14 Apr 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:27 am Post subject:

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Than after 15 days

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Than you're a fool

then or than? Rolling Eyes

even my former 10 year old hogwan students aren't that stupid

mate.. this guy says he has no cash.. if he gets the ass tomorrow and he doesnt get a letter of release or find immediate income he is screwed.. where is all your brainsurgery about his situation?

pull the cottonwool from your ears and put the sock in your mouth unless you can offer him something that is helpful..

in his situation you are useless - 15 days (assuming that it is successful and goes through at the earliest opportunity) and cashed up. well, that might be enough for him... but if it is not, all your 'knowitall' stuff is useless.

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IF YOUR BOSS TERMINATES YOU ON THE SPOT - YOU WILL ONLY GET THE MONEY THAT IS OWED TO YOU UP UNTIL THAT TIME

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You're new to Korea aren't you. You'll likely get nothing. You'll have to go to the Labor Board for all money owed likely.

sorry. i should have said that is the maximum he will get.

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Drunk is debateable tie is not. Likely even drunk would win though.

if his boss is a tool and there are no witnesses, who is saying he won't make this up?

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Who's word likely won't matter. The question is 'Did you give 30 days notice? No. Did you pay 30 days extra wages? No'. Answer 'Than payup.'

what you are saying is there are no grounds for instant dismissal?

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Than you're a fool. A 20 minute phone call seems worth a couple grand to me.

if i prevent needing this i am no mans fool

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after 15 days the labor board call your boss and will help you sign a petition. Most hogwans owners cave at the call or the letter. Usually it's taken care of quickly.

usually? not much good to me if i am in the gutter eating kimchi vomit

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By the way your friend above has a letter of release and can be working while he waits.

he has no letter of release.. he is still working Rolling Eyes

did you even bother to read his post or are you just out to destroy mine (of which you are not doing a very good job)

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answer his questions knowitall just don't waffle on to me.
he has said he hasnt the money to keep him up for long, you are continuing with this rubbish just to try prove you know everything without concern of the op.

tell him he can be promised 30 days pay in 15 days if he is sacked on the spot so he has a chance of making some arrangement to stay somewhere. if that is the case, why did you not tell him earlier?

can you guarantee he will even get this money? or is it just a good chance? or is it just a chance? if he doesnt or there are some problems that delay this he is well and truely screwed and than can he blame you? will you give him some money to get home? most likely say 'sorry, it has been delayed again or it wasn't successful' and hang up the phone leaving the poor bugger in the shit.

Last edited by wylde on Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:54 pm; edited 2 times in total

wylde

Joined: 14 Apr 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:38 am Post subject:

sadsac wrote:

Letter of release is still a matter of dispute with many of us on the board. I have never had one, but have never had problems securing work.

this could be useful information but it is best to get the letter to avoid any hassle.

wylde

Joined: 14 Apr 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:55 am Post subject:

oh, btw...

Mankind wrote:

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when my former boss said go, i said that your allegations are false and i'm going to see mankind.. she said go, do it.

That'd be the smartest thing you said.

when i said i wouldn't, she gave me 4,000,000 won

OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject:

JackSarang wrote:

I haven't yet. Because I don't want to exacerbate things. I would, but unfortunately my cashflow situation at present basically means that if I'm fired on the spot I am severely screwed. I can't afford my own plane ticket home and would have barely enough cash to stuff myself into a goshiwon for a few days and try and find the first available job.

PC Bang by night, bath house by day, one discreet private and ramen.

Gollum

Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:05 pm Post subject:

OiGirl wrote:

JackSarang wrote:

PC Bang by night, bath house by day, one discreet private and ramen.

You got that backwards... much better to sleep in a bathouse at night, where they provide blankets and mats. Then play around in the PC Bang by day.

Did you know some Koreans actually live in the bath houses? I didn't, until I started to go to one several times.

Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject:

Mankind wrote:

Dude, you're going to make him cry.

Badmojo

Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:37 pm Post subject:

This thread is long. Just read my post. It's going to make the most sense. First of all, you don't know what your situation is. Whether you're coming or going. The Koreans like to keep you in the dark. You can't make a move based on uncertainty. You're 7 months in, you can't walk away from that. Now whether to approach the boss or not is a sticky situation. It makes sense to me, but I wouldn't do it. What's he going to say to you, "Yes, I'm going to fire you tomorrow?" No way. "Yes, I'm thinking of it." No way. These are not good answers. This is not what you want to hear. You can't ask these Asians straight questions, they'll never give you a straight answer. You have to dance around the issue. If you go to him, you'll only come back more confused. Forget about that. My advice is show up to work and do your job. That's all. I thought I was gone after two weeks. Here I am smiling after six months. What did I do when I thought I was a dead man walking? I kept working. I did nothing. If he fires you, you have legal recourse. You have a good position in the eyes of the law. If you quit, you got nothing. I hope this helps.

JackSarang

Joined: 28 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:40 pm Post subject:

Badmojo wrote:

My advice is show up to work and do your job. That's all. I thought I was gone after two weeks. Here I am smiling after six months. What did I do when I thought I was a dead man walking? I kept working. I did nothing. If he fires you, you have legal recourse. You have a good position in the eyes of the law. If you quit, you got nothing.
I hope this helps.

Yeah. This is pretty much the conclusion I've come to. I'm just going to suck it up and ride it out.

I think my biggest issue is the hassle of having to pack everything up and find a different job (or go home) and I'm not in love with starting from square one again with a different school.

Then there are tons of teachers who have had it 1000 times worse than I ever will from getting fired, so I really can't complain (too loudly).

wylde

Joined: 14 Apr 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:56 pm Post subject:

save your money bro

wylde

Joined: 14 Apr 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:59 pm Post subject:

Gord wrote:

Mankind wrote:

Dude, you're going to make him cry.

why would i cry?
i am making sense, the professional labor law worker seems not to be able to appreciate the situation the op is in.. seems to me he likes to argue and big note himself as 'the labor law guy' but not actually help anybody. he can not guarantee this guy will get his money in 15 days, just that is the quickest possible time.. he can not even guarantee this guy will get any money at all.

to all who are interested - if you dont like your job, come to work drunk, get dismissed immediately and get the 'labor law guy' to get you your money owing and the 30 days in lieu 15 days later Rolling Eyes

i am only crying with laughter. Laughing

good one gord

Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:18 pm Post subject:

wylde wrote:

But that's not what happened. You were saying that if your friend is fired, he's S.O.L. with regards to anything and everything. Mankind, who has first hand knowledge of dozens of teachers who have successfully resolved such instances in their favour, and went on to explain what the process was in a nutshell.

Then you went on to ramble about "than" (which, pro-tip, can be used to express "when" such as "I had hardly been fired than I got my money" which you suggest cannot be actually be said. Rock on grammar nazi, and keep on telling us rules that don't exist), and then a tirade of hypotheticals which were not part of the original claims and making summary conclusions as to what the legal result would be without having a grasp of what is or is not legal.

It's big, it's hot, why doesn't it kill us all? Let's learn about the sun.

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to all who are interested - if you dont like your job, come to work drunk, get dismissed immediately and get the 'labor law guy' to get you your money owing and the 30 days in lieu 15 days later Rolling Eyes

i am only crying with laughter. Laughing

good one gord

The tirade continues. Much better than discussing the topic as an adult.

crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject:

Gord wrote:

It's big, it's hot, why doesn't it kill us all? Let's learn about the sun.

Mankind

Joined: 18 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject:

Thanks Gord, you just saved me some time. Wylde see what Gord wrote. HAND

wylde

Joined: 14 Apr 2003

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:37 pm Post subject:

Gord wrote:

wylde wrote:

But that's not what happened. You were saying that if your friend is fired, he's S.O.L. with regards to anything and everything.

he was sol if he had no money and no job and had to eat kimchi vomit until the labor board followed its procedure.

btw, i never said anything about any friend.. where did you read this?

gord wrote:

Mankind, who has first hand knowledge of dozens of teachers who have successfully resolved such instances in their favour, and went on to explain what the process was in a nutshell.

i can explain to you how to put lego blocks together but it means nothing if ya wanna build with play doh. i was happy to read about the the process but it was kinda an empty speech..

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after 15 days the labor board call your boss and will help you sign a petition. Most hogwans owners cave at the call or the letter. Usually it's taken care of quickly.

the promise of usually really means nothing to somebody who has no cash, house, food, etc.

gord wrote:

then a tirade of hypotheticals which were not part of the original claims and making summary conclusions as to what the legal result would be without having a grasp of what is or is not legal.

you are seriously lost here arent you? my hypotheticals were completely relevant..

i put it down again - read it carefully... this guy has no cash, if he gets fired on the spot he will have some big problems. i suspected this from the beginning so i gave a few options of how to get out with some cash in his pocket. then your bumchum came in like god himself telling him not to quit or run, wait until he was sacked. i continued with if he is sacked for a breach he will lose the 30 days pay in lieu and your bossombuddy said the process for getting the money owed from the employer usually happens quick (15 days.)
from there i simply asked mankind whether he could guarentee this guy some cash in 15 days and could he guarentee it at all? if so, the op could make some plans... but i haven't heard any more back about how sure this refund is and if there was a hassle how long would the guy have to sleep in the gutter.

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It's big, it's hot, why doesn't it kill us all? Let's learn about the sun.

shining bright outta somewhere huh

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from the 'labor law guy' himself

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Drunk is debateable tie is not. Likely even drunk would win though.

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i am only crying with laughter. Laughing

good one gord

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The tirade continues. Much better than discussing the topic as an adult.

i seem to be the only 1 with my eyes open here.

IF THIS GUY HAS NO CASH AND THERE IS SOME KINDA PROBLEM WITH 'LABOR LAW GUYS' 15 DAYS, WHERE WILL HE SLEEP? WHAT WILL HE EAT? WHAT WILL HE DO? WHERE WILL HE GO?

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