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Sleepy in Seoul
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 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I always liked having teachers who never punished. The worst you could expect was a disappointed look and a boring, predictable lecture on responsibilities and how you let yourself and the teacher down.
No consequences usually means no change in behaviour. |
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balzor
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
I always liked having teachers who never punished. The worst you could expect was a disappointed look and a boring, predictable lecture on responsibilities and how you let yourself and the teacher down.
No consequences usually means no change in behaviour. |
Thank you, that is exactly my point from a few posts back. There has to be consequences in society or else conscience and self-discipline all but disappear. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| balzor wrote: |
| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
I always liked having teachers who never punished. The worst you could expect was a disappointed look and a boring, predictable lecture on responsibilities and how you let yourself and the teacher down.
No consequences usually means no change in behaviour. |
Thank you, that is exactly my point from a few posts back. There has to be consequences in society or else conscience and self-discipline all but disappear. |
And as I stated a consequence, and a punishment are different things entirely.
I also never used the "boring lecture on you let me down" why would they care if they let me down.
As I stated a really crappy punishments( either) doesnt change the behaviuor, or changes it for the worse. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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If the students had been pre-warned about what the punishment would be yet still chose to behave badly, then I have no problems at all about them cleaning toilets. It doesn't matter what the punishment is (within reason e.g. execution) as long as it is consistently applied and clearly explained and understood beforehand.
I think it's usually better to have a punishment that is useful rather than a meaningless activity such as copying out a long page or two of words then having the students watch as I tear it up in front of them (although that can have its place as well). |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
If the students had been pre-warned about what the punishment would be yet still chose to behave badly, then I have no problems at all about them cleaning toilets. It doesn't matter what the punishment is (within reason e.g. execution) as long as it is consistently applied and clearly explained and understood beforehand.
I think it's usually better to have a punishment that is useful rather than a meaningless activity such as copying out a long page or two of words then having the students watch as I tear it up in front of them (although that can have its place as well). |
This is totaly ignoring the fact that cleaning toilets is not an educational punishment, and should not even be something teachers are allowed to make a student do.
I can see going outside and picking up trash that I understand, that serves a sense of community, but scrubing a toilet, its degrading and demeaning
At my last Canada school we had friday chores ( it was a live in school) everyone had a chore, it rotated, some days it was bathrooms, other days it was trash duty, other days it was floors etc. It was a school effort and it was not punishment. Even still they didnt have to scrub a toilet. BUt teachers got involved too, and usually we scrubbed the toilet if it needed to be scrubbed |
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