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DeMayonnaise
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| DeMayonnaise wrote: |
| I left my oppressive, backwards, economically unstable homeland in search of a better life abroad. There weren't any jobs available for a college grad in my homeland of America. |
What I've read is that after the crisis, life in the U.S. will take on a permanent change, as in no easy credit to buy a house, car or other pricey item, fewer jobs, lower wages and the like.
Not that I hate the U.S. but the party had to end some time. Plus I find life in the U.S. boring, mundane and routine. |
It's OK...I mostly hate the US. I hated Bush, had some hope with Obama, but realize he's the same ol same ol. Too bad. Now to find me a nice Spanish girl and get me an EU passport (in Korea saving up money til I can travel more...) |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| DeMayonnaise wrote: |
| I left my oppressive, backwards, economically unstable homeland in search of a better life abroad. There weren't any jobs available for a college grad in my homeland of America. |
In May 2010, the unemployment rate for high school dropouts was 13.6%. For those with a high school diploma only it was 10.3%. For those with a Bachelor's degree or higher it was 4.4%.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm
Don't give up hope!
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most all of my friends back in the US make (and save) a lot more money than I do here...and I'm doing OK here salary wise.
If you're willing to work hard and put in your time, there are still far greater opportunities in North America than there are for you here in Korea. I am not saying that this life is for everyone (the North American one I mean), but people act as though North America has just gone to the shitter completely, and this is not an accurate depiction of reality. A slight lull in the strongest economy in the world is hardly a sign that there are no more jobs and no more opportunities there for the rest of eternity. |
| kimchipig wrote: |
| With the taxes in Korea along with the exchange rates, what people make there is really chicken feed compared to what a well developed career back in the real world can make. |
| Unposter wrote: |
| Just my opinion but if you are at least somewhat talented and you are interested in making a lot of money, Korea is not for you. This is especially true if you are an American as salaries and benefits are much better. |
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Mariella713
Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Heck, if you go to Tokyo you better hire bodyguards because you will spark off a sex riot where japanese women will stampede to get at your handomeness... |
Stop getting him excited - it'll make the disappointment all the more worse once he lands in Tokyo  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Indeed Mariella. |
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brier
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: |
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As far as the economy goes...I view it kinda like this.
20 years ago, you and a friend graudate high school. You go to college he gets a union construction job. He starts making 20 bucks and hour while you go in debt. You graduate college and make 32k a year, hes already 4 years deep making 45k a year. You question why you went to school.
10 years later...He is making 55 k a year, you are now making 65.
20 years later...Hes making 65 a year, youre making 85 and hes wishing he went to school.
In korea the money is good for now but you wont get rich by teaching. Good life maybe but it its only money youre after (not naming names) not the best long term strategy.
Im not saying you can still get a job with growth potential after grad. Another point, Im tired of people complaining you cant get a job with a b.a- GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND GET A M.A. Of course you cant get a job with a lib. arts degree from a third rate school. Its not easy but put that nose down and work hard.
Why I stayed in Korea for a few years was the ease of life, my motorcycle, enough cash to not worry about cash, free apartment, and fun. Simply put I stayed because I had more fun than at home. But i left to start clawing my way back into life because when Im 35 or 40 I want to look back, wipe my brow, have some good memories, and then continue the climb. |
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hyridmonochrome
Joined: 03 Aug 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:33 am Post subject: Why stay? |
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| Just today, I checked on job listings in my old city (Austin, TX), to see if the job market had improved. It hasn't. After this place, I will not work a slave job for ten dollars an hour again. Also, this job has inspired me to go back to grad school, and I'll need money for that. I'm also going to Poland to teach there for awhile. I'll need ALOT of money to do that comfortably. I'm paying off my student loans and credit cards, get access to both modern and traditional health care, and while living as a waygook can be taxing sometimes, it does leave you out of the complex and often exhausting Korean social structure. No too bad. However, I would NOT be here if the money weren't. |
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:55 am Post subject: |
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nobody would be here without the money. I have student loans, bill etc. but I consider them short term. Making 2,500 a month paying 800 in bills is a ton, in ten years Ill hopefully be making closer to 6,000 a month and then even 1500 in bills, student loans, still allows for a comfy life. In Korea we (or atleast I) got used to the comfy lifestyle of paying my bills and having money for booze but its not 'real' if youre not a lifer.
Like the previous post korea lit a fire under me to go to grad school, and not a crappy online esl master (shouldnt count as a masters). I want to care about my job and have a desire to excel. I wish teaching did it for me but alas, it was only about the money.
So best advice to anyone- enjoy yourself and be open to where your mind leads and follow it. When I went to Korea I had no idea what i wanted to do and thus I explored, travelled, read, met great folks, and then left with a life path I care about. If I hadnt gone to Korea, and given life a real shot, Id probably be addicted to weed. |
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H.W.
Joined: 26 Apr 2010
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Why stay? |
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| hyridmonochrome wrote: |
| Just today, I checked on job listings in my old city (Austin, TX), to see if the job market had improved. It hasn't. After this place, I will not work a slave job for ten dollars an hour again. |
While I do see what you mean, it is important to remember that there is never any shame in an honest day's work. The best jobs are never advertised. You have to commit to making the right connections. Sometimes that means working a chain of shitty jobs as you find your way to the right career. You simply don't make 85K with people calling you "sir" and respecting you for your boundless expertise fresh out of college. You have to find your way. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Why stay? |
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| H.W. wrote: |
| hyridmonochrome wrote: |
| Just today, I checked on job listings in my old city (Austin, TX), to see if the job market had improved. It hasn't. After this place, I will not work a slave job for ten dollars an hour again. |
While I do see what you mean, it is important to remember that there is never any shame in an honest day's work. The best jobs are never advertised. You have to commit to making the right connections. Sometimes that means working a chain of shitty jobs as you find your way to the right career. You simply don't make 85K with people calling you "sir" and respecting you for your boundless expertise fresh out of college. You have to find your way. |
Indeed. It always was, "You simply have to find your way," if a relative didn't already have a plan or valid suggestion. The only thing is finding your way to prosperity has become most difficult since the Great Depression of the 1930's. Many are expecting this miracle turn around to come like it did in the 1940's, but the engineering of a boom is not in the works this time. It really is brutal out there even if you are good for the job and in perfect physical condition. If you got money, this is probably a great time to set yourself up, but if not, it's brutal. I can't see how you can really get something better than $10/hour if you don't have relatives in good positions to hire you or allow you necessary support in your endeavors. Business really is personal and people take care of relatives first. If you want to get your food vendor trailer out in places that make any sense, you better have important relations to get the permission and support for your venture. You don't just get critically needed supports by chatting up people, you must be someone to them. That is a big mystery to me other than nepotism is common world wide though when the economy expands as in booms with optimism, anyone willing to work can get in on the action to make decent money. If you want a really good job in this time period, then you must have connections in high places or manifest it through years of hard work in the same place as to get to know everyone and eventually take charge of them. This means no vacations, no travel, and no working abroad. It's quite tough, but for those raising kids, they have no choice, but to stay home to plug away. |
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ippy
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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my coteacher is being sent to re-education camp for 6 months from september! wheeeeee! So figured id suck up the summer term and consider it my dues for my twenty whatever it is (plus free extra week) days off in february boarding in Niseko.  |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| It's first world and much much better than life back in Peru. AS for culture shock, I still can't get over how clean and organised it is and how polite the people are. Seriously, Korea is utopia compared to third world countries like Peru. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Not wanting to work for minimum wage back home. Food. A general feeling of being alive. Enjoying the work. Getting to do things like play basketball during my lunch break and occasionally acting like a kid. Getting to do arts and crafts on a daily basis. Good times. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| It's first world and much much better than life back in Peru. AS for culture shock, I still can't get over how clean and organised it is and how polite the people are. Seriously, Korea is utopia compared to third world countries like Peru. |
Now naturegirl....you need to STOP posting things like this....you are using a mysterious tool called PERSPECTIVE. This will not do in here!
Korea is hell on earth....all other places are better. End of story...  |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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| It's first world and much much better than life back in Peru. AS for culture shock, I still can't get over how clean and organised it is and how polite the people are. Seriously, Korea is utopia compared to third world countries like Peru. |
Now naturegirl....you need to STOP posting things like this....you are using a mysterious tool called PERSPECTIVE. This will not do in here!
Korea is hell on earth....all other places are better. End of story...  |
I've lived in seven countries, Korea is at the top of my list We fully intend on staying here a while and startinga family. Like you said, it's all about perspective and when you compare Korea to Peru, you're comparing heaven and hell. |
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