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Jeonmunka
Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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If the US governement really wanted all the poppies and smack, why does it then incarcerate the users? Seems self-defeating.
What I would do would be reduce the term sentences so the users could purchase more of it, thus bigger profits. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Jeonmunka wrote: |
If the US governement really wanted all the poppies and smack, why does it then incarcerate the users? Seems self-defeating.
What I would do would be reduce the term sentences so the users could purchase more of it, thus bigger profits. |
Come on, think about for just a second. The government makes it illegal so the price stays high, and so that they can have an excuse to crack down on the public. Basically two of the most profitable sectors of the economy, drugs and prisons, are directly a result of the so-called 'war on drugs'. If you legalized the drugs the price would go way down (everyone and his dog would have a grow-op in their back yards), and the prisons would empty. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Come on, think about for just a second. The government makes it illegal so the price stays high, and so that they can have an excuse to crack down on the public. |
Its a nice sound bite but its B/S.
Would individuals, even organizations make money from the trade? Of course, but to believe that its a Government wide decesion is B/S.
I have not found 2 Americans in a row in Korea who will agree on the same thing. Are u seriously telling me, that the Demo's and Reps have managed to follow the same game plan since the 1950s?
The US is ignorant. I'll agree on that, but criminally culpable over the last 60 years, I need more evidence than what you believe.
Yes, I know about the drug trade in SEA as much as anyone can without being a part of it. Ignorance is not a word you can accuse me of in certain areas, disbelief of peoples opinions - of course. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| Come on, think about for just a second. The government makes it illegal so the price stays high, and so that they can have an excuse to crack down on the public. |
Its a nice sound bite but its B/S.
Would individuals, even organizations make money from the trade? Of course, but to believe that its a Government wide decesion is B/S.
I have not found 2 Americans in a row in Korea who will agree on the same thing. Are u seriously telling me, that the Demo's and Reps have managed to follow the same game plan since the 1950s?
The US is ignorant. I'll agree on that, but criminally culpable over the last 60 years, I need more evidence than what you believe. |
Hello??? Does "Iran/contra" mean anything to you?
Would you believe the former head of the Drug Enforcement Agency, federal judge Robert Bonner who on the CBS News national broadcast of 60 Minutes accused the CIA of smuggling a ton of cocaine onto the streets of the US?
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CBS News Transcripts 60 MINUTES November 21, 1993
HEADLINE: THE CIA'S COCAINE; CIA APPARENTLY BEHIND SHIPPING OF A TON OF COCAINE INTO THE US FROM VENEZUELA
BODY: THE CIA'S COCAINE
MORLEY SAFER: A ton of cocaine--pure cocaine, worth hundreds of millions�is smuggled into the United States. Sound familiar? Not the way this ton of cocaine got here, according to what the former head of the Drug Enforcement Administration told Mike Wallace. This drug shipment got here courtesy of what he calls drug trafficking by the CIA, in partnership with the Venezuelan national guard. While rumors of CIA involvement in drug trafficking have circulated for years, no one in the US government has ever before publicly charged the CIA with this kind of wrongdoing. It is not the kind of accusation anyone in government would make without thinking long and hard.
MIKE WALLACE: Let me understand what you're saying. A ton of cocaine was smuggled into the United States of America by the Venezuelan national guard...
Judge ROBERT BONNER (Former Head, Drug Enforcement Administration): Well, they...
WALLACE: ...in cooperation with the CIA?
Judge BONNER: That's what--that's exactly what appears to have happened. (Footage of Wallace and Bonner walking)
WALLACE: (Voiceover) Until last month, Judge Robert Bonner was the head ofthe Drug Enforcement Administration, the DEA. And Judge Bonner explained to us that only the head of the DEA is authorized to approve the transportation of any illegal narcotics, like cocaine, into this country, even if the CIA is bringing it in.
Judge BONNER: Let me put it this way, Mike. If this has not been approved by DEA or an appropriate law-enforcement authority in the United States, then it's illegal. It's called drug trafficking. It's called drug smuggling.
WALLACE: So what you're saying, in effect, is the CIA broke the law; simple as that.
Judge BONNER: I don't think there's any other way you can rationalize around it, assuming, as I think we can, that there was some knowledge on the part of CIA. At least some participation in approving or condoning this to be done. (Footage of Wallace and Bonner; the CIA seal)
WALLACE: (Voiceover) Judge Bonner says he came to that conclusion after a two-year secret investigation conducted by the DEA's Office of Professional Responsibility, in cooperation with the CIA's own inspector general. |
That was in 1993. By 2008, not much had changed.
Crashed jet carrying cocaine linked to CIA
By Jeremy R. Hammond
Online Journal Contributing Writer
Sep 15, 2008, 00:24
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| A private jet that crashed last year in eastern Mexico and was found to be carrying more than 3 tons of cocaine was also used by the Central Intelligence Agency for clandestine operations, the Mexican daily El Universal reported September 3. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hello??? Does "Iran/contra" mean anything to you?
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Yes it does.
It means that a group of people took actions that the US as a whole didn't agree with.
Otherwise why were certain people charged?
But do I think it was wrong?
From a poitical realist position then no.
If their actions had changed the situation of the hostages then no. Though you must remember that Hezbelloh kidnapped most of them and they are now supported 
That Bill was tortured to death by the Syrians and you still talk to them instead of wiping thier government of the planet.
That the US are pussies in certain issue then 'Yes' we all got the message.
FK them, hold certain humanitarian standards and kick the arse of those who don't.
Yes, soldiers will die - people die every day, no one gives a fk if it doesn't have a price.
Would I go in their place - without a hesitation of doubt if it made the world better and they accepted me. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
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Hello??? Does "Iran/contra" mean anything to you?
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Yes it does.
It means that a group of people took actions that the US as a whole didn't agree with.
Otherwise why were certain people charged? |
This was an illegal operation run out of the White House basement, fer Chrissakes! 
OK, now how about the head of the US gov't agency DEA revealing that another US gov't agency, CIA, was running a larger cocaine smuggling business than the Medellin cartel? What do you say to that? The US "as a whole" didn't agree to it?
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But do I think it was wrong?
From a poitical realist position then no. |
OK, so you don't think illegal operations are wrong. Got it. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:36 am Post subject: |
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With regards to the topic of China from earlier in the thread.
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Afghan officials have interpreted their mining regulations in such a way that if a company is awarded a concession to explore and then discovers valuable minerals, the government can tender the concession back and rebid it, undermining any incentive for a foreign firm to actually find large deposits, he said.
�They can take it back after you discover something,� Mr. Yeager said. �That needs to be corrected.�
Several mining executives and other experts said that the multibillion-dollar investment required to build a large copper mine, for example, meant that the industry would focus on other deposits in less risky countries before they turned to Afghanistan.
�The industry is going to take a look at Afghanistan, but they will weigh their risks carefully,� said Steve Vaughn, a Canadian lawyer and mining expert. �There is every indication that these deposits are very large. But as political risks increase, they will lay off spending.�
Today, many of the world�s leading mining companies are based in Canada and Australia, but resource-hungry China is rapidly emerging as a major competitor for mineral deposits. A Chinese state-owned firm has already been awarded the concession for a copper mine in eastern Afghanistan.
No, many mining industry executives say they expect the Chinese to bid aggressively on Afghanistan�s newly discovered mineral deposits even as many Western firms sit it out.
Robert Schafer, executive vice president of Hunter Dickinson, an exploration and mining firm based in Vancouver, Canada, which lost the bid for the copper mine concession to the Chinese company, said he believed that the Chinese �have a different perception of the risk� because they see mineral resource development as part of a national strategy.
�Their concern is for the supply of a commodity, so they are willing to do things at a loss,� Mr. Schafer said. �So yes, I could see the Chinese being willing to make investments in areas where we are unwilling to.� |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Karzai says Japanese should have priority with regards to Afghanistan's mineral deposits.
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Afghan President Hamid Karzai said this week that Japan -- not the U.S. -- takes priority over other nations when it comes to mining his country's vast mineral deposits.
Karzai made his proclamation during a five-day visit to Japan. Over that same time period, news reports surfaced that Afghanistan and Pakistan planned to negotiate with U.S.-NATO enemies, the U.N. reported that insurgent violence is surging, and Reuters tried to parse the Pentagon's mixed messages over U.S. strategy in Afghanistan.
During an appearance at the Japan Institute of International Affairs, Karzai focused on his country's mineral deposits. He pointed to Japan's status as Afghanistan's second-biggest donor, and reasoned that Japan should enjoy special access to Afghan resources with estimated values that range from $1-3 trillion dollars.
"Morally, Afghanistan should give access as a priority to those countries that have helped Afghanistan massively in the past few years," Karzai told the institute.
"What . . . we have to reciprocate with is this opportunity of mineral resources, that we must return at the goodwill of the Japanese people by giving Japan priority to come and explore and extract," Karzai said.
Looking to the future, Karzai echoed an internal Pentagon memo and said that the mining will define Afghanistan, "Whereas Saudi Arabia is the oil capital of the world, Afghanistan will be the lithium capital of the world.... And Japan is welcome to participate in the lithium exploration in Afghanistan." |
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nchannah
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Sucks to be Afghanistan. |
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